Glossary entry (derived from question below)
English term or phrase:
radial cross palmar grasp
Spanish translation:
Presa palmar pronada / agarre cilíndrico pronado
Added to glossary by
MollyRose
Jan 4, 2017 22:54
7 yrs ago
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English term
radial cross palmar
English to Spanish
Medical
Education / Pedagogy
Occupational therapy
This is in an occupational therapy report for a 4-year-old child. I need to try to use a formal translation rather than just describing the pencil grasp, since the document has a picture of several grasps with the name of the grasp below it.
Pencil grip: radial cross palmar. I wish I could copy and paste the picture for you here, but "it" won't let me. Here's my attempt to describe it:
Forearm is parallel to the table but twisted outward, child is grasping the pencil with his fist, thumb down. The fingers of his right hand are facing out from his body to the right. The pencil is nearly perpendicular to the table.
Prensión palmar radial cruzando la línea media?
Pencil grip: radial cross palmar. I wish I could copy and paste the picture for you here, but "it" won't let me. Here's my attempt to describe it:
Forearm is parallel to the table but twisted outward, child is grasping the pencil with his fist, thumb down. The fingers of his right hand are facing out from his body to the right. The pencil is nearly perpendicular to the table.
Prensión palmar radial cruzando la línea media?
Proposed translations
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| 3 +4 | Presa palmar supinada / agarre cilíndrico |
Taña Dalglish
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Change log
Jan 9, 2017 15:41: MollyRose Created KOG entry
Proposed translations
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Taña Dalglish
Jamaica
Jamaica
Native in English
Jamaica
Translating the Ideas Behind the Words
Native in: English (Variant: British)
Works in: Spanish to English, English to Spanish, French to English, and 2 more.
Related KudoZ points
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193
Selected
Presa palmar supinada / agarre cilíndrico
Ver referencias.
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Mónica Algazi
: Feliz año y un abrazo, Taña.
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Muchísimas gracias Mónica. ¡Feliz Año también y un abrazo!
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JohnMcDove
: ¡Lo dicho! :-)
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Gracias John.
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Sendoh
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Muchas gracias Sendoh. Feliz Año.
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Emma Miliani
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Gracias Emma. Feliz Año.
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2 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "I can't accept "supinada" b/c of the hand position, but the references have been helpful for me to see what "cross" and "radial" mean here. This grasp isn't part of the "normal" development, as the palm is facing outward, not toward the midline."
Reference comments
30 mins
Taña Dalglish
Jamaica
Jamaica
Native in English
Jamaica
Translating the Ideas Behind the Words
Native in: English (Variant: British)
Works in: Spanish to English, English to Spanish, French to English, and 2 more.
Related KudoZ points
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193
Reference:
Refs.
http://www.playdoughtoplato.com/pencil-grasp-development-in-... (1st picture here)
http://www.scielo.br/pdf/jped/v85n4/en_v85n4a13.pdf (see picture page 349)
Radial cross palmar grasp: pencil positioned across palm projecting radially, held with fisted hand, forearm fully pronated, full arm movement.
https://entreteo.wordpress.com/2014/01/19/el-desarrollo-del-...
o Presa cilíndrica o presa palmar supinada: Aparece entre el año y año y medio. Se emplea toda la mano para sujetar la herramienta, y el movimiento procede de segmentos proximales (se mueve el hombro y el brazo para mover la mano). Se trata de un agarre estático.
https://www.google.com.jm/search?q=PRESA PALMAR SUPINADA RAD...
1 – 1 ½ años “agarre cilíndrico”
http://www.scielo.br/pdf/jped/v85n4/en_v85n4a13.pdf (see picture page 349)
Radial cross palmar grasp: pencil positioned across palm projecting radially, held with fisted hand, forearm fully pronated, full arm movement.
https://entreteo.wordpress.com/2014/01/19/el-desarrollo-del-...
o Presa cilíndrica o presa palmar supinada: Aparece entre el año y año y medio. Se emplea toda la mano para sujetar la herramienta, y el movimiento procede de segmentos proximales (se mueve el hombro y el brazo para mover la mano). Se trata de un agarre estático.
https://www.google.com.jm/search?q=PRESA PALMAR SUPINADA RAD...
1 – 1 ½ años “agarre cilíndrico”
Peer comments on this reference comment:
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JohnMcDove
: ¿Como respuesta? ¿Presa palmar supinada? o ¿"Agarre cilíndrico"? Saludos y feliz 2017, Taña (¡y Molly!)
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Gracias John y Feliz Año también.
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Mónica Algazi
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Gracias Mónica.
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Discussion
While doing research, I also came across Taña´s descriptions of radial cross palmar and palmar supinate grasps. It appears that the pencil "projecting radially" means the sharpened end is pointing down at the thumb end, and "projecting ulnarly" means it is pointing down at the pinky side of the hand, especially when comparing descriptions with the pictures.
"Radial cross palmar grasp: pencil positioned across palm
projecting radially, held with fisted hand, forearm fully
pronated, full arm movement", whereas "Palmar supinate grasp: pencil positioned across palm projecting ulnarly, held with fisted hand, wrist slightly flexed and supinated away from mid-position, full arm
movement. Regards.
Have you looked at the first picture here: http://www.playdoughtoplato.com/pencil-grasp-development-in-...
I based my answer on my research. If you are in disagreement that is fine, but I therefore, cannot help further as I have given it my best shot! Regards.