Aug 26, 2017 13:02
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French term

il en avait des heures de vol au compteur !!

Non-PRO French to English Other General / Conversation / Greetings / Letters colloquial expression
Et pourtant, vu le nombre de voyages qu'il faisait, comme vous le savez, ce n'est un secret pour personne qu'il en avait des heures de vol au compteur !!
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Aug 26, 2017 15:01: writeaway changed "Field" from "Art/Literary" to "Other" , "Field (write-in)" from "(none)" to "colloquial expression"

Aug 26, 2017 16:35: Michele Fauble changed "Level" from "PRO" to "Non-PRO"

Aug 26, 2017 18:16: Yolanda Broad changed "Term asked" from "\\\'il en avait des heures de vol au compteur !!" to "il en avait des heures de vol au compteur !! "

Votes to reclassify question as PRO/non-PRO:

PRO (1): Victoria Britten

Non-PRO (3): writeaway, Rachel Fell, Michele Fauble

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Discussion

ph-b (X) Aug 28, 2017:
To Charles, about en 'De la même façon que d’autres pronoms personnels, en […peut] reprendre devant le verbe des compléments détachés au début ou en fin de phrase. Cette façon de s’exprimer, courante dans la langue parlée, se rencontre aussi dans la langue écrite pour la mise en relief. Hélas ! que j’en ai vu mourir de jeunes filles !' (Hugo, Les Orientales) (Grévisse, 16th edition, 680a) In 2017, we’d probably say: J’en ai vu mourir, des jeunes filles ! or Il en avait, des heures de vol au compteur !
Charles Davis Aug 26, 2017:
Does it refer to age? "Avoir des heures de vol au compteur", used metaphorically, usually does mean getting on a bit, but not always; it can also refer to experience. I think it clearly does in these examples:

"J'ai des heures de vol au compteur en ce qui concerne la psychiatrie"
https://books.google.es/books?id=DoR4U0PcJloC&pg=PA82

"je suis un bassiste amateur, je bassouille quoi, mais j'ai quand même des heures de vol au compteur et c'est la première fois que j'utilise un compresseur"
https://www.slappyto.net/Forum-Basse/Topic-Basse.aspx?id=127...

It may be worth noting are that it says "le nombre de voyages qu\'il faisait", not "qu'il avait faits"; not that he had travelled a lot (which might imply advanced age), but that he travelled frequently (which doesn't imply anything about age). There is also "en", which is not usually part of this expression. It may not mean much at all, but it could mean that he had "a lot of miles on the clock" in respect of this matter, which implies experience rather than mere age.

Proposed translations

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French term (edited): \'il en avait des heures de vol au compteur !!
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he was no spring chicken

He was not in his first youth
He had a lot of miles on the clock
Peer comment(s):

neutral B D Finch : How does that take into account: "vu le nombre de voyages qu'il faisait"?
1 hr
he can't be young to have got it all in
agree writeaway : also fine and idiomatic (especially lots of miles on the clock, given the context). I think miles on the clock works particularly well
1 hr
agree Rachel Fell
2 hrs
neutral Tony M : Again, the reference to travelling seems to me not immediately obviously connected with the person's age.
2 hrs
agree Michele Fauble : Depending on further context.
2 hrs
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thanks to all you for your precious comments. I finally chose He has a lot of miles on the clock"
3 hrs
French term (edited): il en avait des heures de vol au compteur

he wasn't getting any younger

Another possible rendering
Peer comment(s):

neutral Tony M : Again, the reference to travelling seems to me not immediately obviously connected with the person's age.
1 min
des heures de vol?
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23 hrs

He'd been around the block a few times

Used to describe someone who is an 'old hand' at something - like travelling for example.
Peer comment(s):

neutral Tony M : Although the idiom is certainly an applicable one, I can't help feeling that it would be unsuitable in this specific context, where it might sound rather comical alongside the reference to the person's extensive travels...
1 hr
Maybe - or it could just tally with the author's choice to use an idiom to describe the chap's extensive experience :)
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French term (edited): il en avait des heures de vol au compteur !!

he'd been about a bit!

Though it does depend on the context! It could, of course, be literal... but I suspect possibly not, here.

In a figurative sense, it often carries the connotation of "he'd knocked about a bit", or soemthing that is "high mileage".
It can also, of course, suggest an experienced / seasoned pilot / traveller etc.

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Note added at 1 jour9 minutes (2017-08-27 13:11:04 GMT)
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Note the 'flying hours' are a recognized indicator of experience for pilots — not their age! So its figurative use, even for a non-pilot, seems entirely appropriate, especially as 'travel' is also mentioned; the person might have flown a lot, even though they were not actually piloting the aircraft!

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Note added at 2 jours2 heures (2017-08-28 15:30:15 GMT)
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Chrales and ph-b both mention the use of 'en' here — and that's what i was trying to convey with my suggestion. Another example of the use of 'en' with a similar nuance is, I would say, « il en a eu pour son argent ! » which (when used with its literal, positive connotation) really suggests "he certainly got his money's worth there!"
Peer comment(s):

agree B D Finch : I think that is, probably suitably, ambiguous.
1 hr
Thanks, B! :-) Yes, particularly given the lack of context.
agree Charles Davis
8 hrs
Thanks, Charles!
agree Michele Fauble : Depending on further context.
10 hrs
Merci, Michele !
agree Victoria Britten
19 hrs
Thanks, Victoria!
agree ph-b (X) : My understanding too - with perhaps une petite nuance (cf. discussion box).
1 day 23 hrs
Merci, ph-b ! Yes, it is exactly that nuance (which had not escaped me) that I was seeking to convey in suggesting this expression, which in my view nicely encapsulates that whole idea: he's been about a bit = hasn't he been about a lot?!
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2 days 3 hrs

he'd flown his fair share of miles!

Other suggestion
Peer comment(s):

neutral Tony M : Not really terribly idiomatic in EN; since most people don't normally 'fly' (at least in the sense of a pilot), the sense is "his fair share of" is rather lost.
20 mins
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