Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
aire de concentration
English translation:
staging area
Added to glossary by
Claire Nolan
Jun 5, 2018 11:43
5 yrs ago
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French term
United Kingdom
More than 10 years' experience
Native in: English 
Works in: German to English, French to English, Polish to English
aire de concentration
French to English
Tech/Engineering
Safety
Fire safety
This is in a "User's Guide" to a high rise building - queried terms between asterisks.
"2.4. GESTION D'URGENCE
■ DÉCLENCHEMENT D’UNE ALARME
Accès Pompier : Une *aire* de stationnement et *de concentration* est prévue entre le Boulevard Circulaire et la Tour, à proximité du Poste Central de Sécurité Incendie.
I have found the use of this term in other relevant contexts on some websites:
"AIRE DE CONCENTRATION DES MOYENS DE SECOURS
Une intervention dans un IGH nécessite l’engagement de nombreux moyens de secours compte-tenu des risques à envisager.
A cet effet, une *aire de concentration des engins de secours*, publique ou privée, doit exister à proximité de l’immeuble.
Ses caractéristiques sont déterminées en relation avec les services publics de secours et de lutte contre l’incendie."
"Une *aire de concentration des engins de secours*, publique ou privée, existe à proximité de l'immeuble. Ses caractéristiques sont déterminées en relation avec les services publics de secours et de lutte contre l'incendie.Article GH 7"
I understand that "aire de stationnement et de concentration" refers to where firefighting vehicles are parked and gather together, but I am not sure what the right term is for the latter - "parking and gathering area" does not sound idiomatic.
"Assembly point" would refer to where people gather when there is a fire, so "parking and assembly area" would not be right.
"2.4. GESTION D'URGENCE
■ DÉCLENCHEMENT D’UNE ALARME
Accès Pompier : Une *aire* de stationnement et *de concentration* est prévue entre le Boulevard Circulaire et la Tour, à proximité du Poste Central de Sécurité Incendie.
I have found the use of this term in other relevant contexts on some websites:
"AIRE DE CONCENTRATION DES MOYENS DE SECOURS
Une intervention dans un IGH nécessite l’engagement de nombreux moyens de secours compte-tenu des risques à envisager.
A cet effet, une *aire de concentration des engins de secours*, publique ou privée, doit exister à proximité de l’immeuble.
Ses caractéristiques sont déterminées en relation avec les services publics de secours et de lutte contre l’incendie."
"Une *aire de concentration des engins de secours*, publique ou privée, existe à proximité de l'immeuble. Ses caractéristiques sont déterminées en relation avec les services publics de secours et de lutte contre l'incendie.Article GH 7"
I understand that "aire de stationnement et de concentration" refers to where firefighting vehicles are parked and gather together, but I am not sure what the right term is for the latter - "parking and gathering area" does not sound idiomatic.
"Assembly point" would refer to where people gather when there is a fire, so "parking and assembly area" would not be right.
Proposed translations
(English)
| 2 +3 | staging area |
Claire Nolan
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| 4 +1 | assembly area |
Terry Richards
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| 4 +1 | marshalling area |
B D Finch
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| 4 | hard standing area/turning & sweep circle |
Yvonne Gallagher
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Change log
Jun 12, 2018 10:05: Claire Nolan Created KOG entry
Proposed translations
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staging area
such traffic problems were eventually reduced once an
ambulance staging area was created in a parking lot 500 feet from
the incident site.
IC should promptly establish emergency vehicle staging areas during a large scale incident response, especially when operations occur in
a small or already congested setting. Care should be taken to coordinate among police,fire, and rescue organizations to prevent
confusion when positioning resources at an incident site.
https://www.hsdl.org/?view&did=765578
Staging Area (Emergency Vehicles not immediately required to perform a function or shielding at the incident scene should be
directed to stage in this area. The area
should be downstream/upstream of the incident site and the location should not create a traffic hazard or obstruction).
https://novascotia.ca/dma/firesafety/docs/EmergencyResponder...
ambulance staging area was created in a parking lot 500 feet from
the incident site.
IC should promptly establish emergency vehicle staging areas during a large scale incident response, especially when operations occur in
a small or already congested setting. Care should be taken to coordinate among police,fire, and rescue organizations to prevent
confusion when positioning resources at an incident site.
https://www.hsdl.org/?view&did=765578
Staging Area (Emergency Vehicles not immediately required to perform a function or shielding at the incident scene should be
directed to stage in this area. The area
should be downstream/upstream of the incident site and the location should not create a traffic hazard or obstruction).
https://novascotia.ca/dma/firesafety/docs/EmergencyResponder...
Peer comment(s):
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philgoddard
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Thanks
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Daryo
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Thanks
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Yvonne Gallagher
: Canadian but I think UK English needed
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Okay
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B D Finch
: As Yvonne notes, this isn't really right for UK English.
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Okay
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GILLES MEUNIER
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Merci
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks"
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Terry Richards
France
France
Native in English
France
30 years in IT, Engineering degree.
Native in: English (Variants: British, UK, US) 
Works in: French to English, English
assembly area
Despite your misgivings, this is what I would use.
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Note added at 1 hr (2018-06-05 12:59:10 GMT)
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Given that is specifically refers to fire brigade access, I don't think there's all that much chance of confusion. However, you could also consider "marshaling area".
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Note added at 1 hr (2018-06-05 12:59:10 GMT)
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Given that is specifically refers to fire brigade access, I don't think there's all that much chance of confusion. However, you could also consider "marshaling area".
Note from asker:
| I think this would be confusing, as the actual building contains "points de ralliement" = "assembly points" for people, whereas this seems to refer to somewhere for fire engines, etc. to gather |
Peer comment(s):
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philgoddard
: I think you deserve credit for this, as you didn't have the full context. Marshalling is a good idea too.
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| agree |
Yolanda Broad
: Marshalling
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B D Finch
: That's specifically for people.
22 hrs
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marshalling area
https://www.readyscotland.org/.../preparing-scotland-respond...
Emergency vehicles attending an incident should arrive at the RVP in the first instance, have ... directly to the scene or to the marshalling area for holding until required. ...
"MARSHALLING AREA - area to which resources not immediately required at the scene or being held for future use can be directed to standby."
UKFRS Incident Command Manual
https://www.nationalfirechiefs.org.uk/.../493_Item_01-12a_NC...
On occasions UK FRS capabilities are required to respond to humanitarian disasters and .... An SHA provides a base where resources can standby or rest while awaiting deployment to ... held at the SHA to the incident or marshalling area.
Emergency vehicles attending an incident should arrive at the RVP in the first instance, have ... directly to the scene or to the marshalling area for holding until required. ...
"MARSHALLING AREA - area to which resources not immediately required at the scene or being held for future use can be directed to standby."
UKFRS Incident Command Manual
https://www.nationalfirechiefs.org.uk/.../493_Item_01-12a_NC...
On occasions UK FRS capabilities are required to respond to humanitarian disasters and .... An SHA provides a base where resources can standby or rest while awaiting deployment to ... held at the SHA to the incident or marshalling area.
Peer comment(s):
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Yvonne Gallagher
: fire marshall is a CIVILIAN in UK https://safety.eng.cam.ac.uk/procedures/Emergency/FireEmerge... fine for a railway. Hardly irrelevent when (civilian) fire marshal is marshalling people to an assembly area. Rather ambiguous don't you think?
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Irrelevant! I know what a fire marshall is, I was one for the building I worked in. A marshalling area is something else. Think: railways and marshalling yards.
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ph-b (X)
: That's what we called it in the sixth form college where I worked (for what it's worth...), i.e that part of the car park that had to be left empty for fire engines.
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Thanks ph-b
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Yvonne Gallagher
Ireland
Ireland
Native in English
Ireland
right word, right place. everytime
Native in: English (Variants: US, Canadian, Irish, UK)
Works in: French to English, Spanish to English, English, and 1 more.
hard standing area/turning & sweep circle
It's even more important to have non-obstructed ACCESS for emergency-response vehicles with enough space for them to be able to turn. And be close to fire hydrants and away from the assembly points for evacuated people
http://www.westyorksfire.gov.uk/uploads/assets/media/pdfs/sa...
http://cms.thebuildingregulations.org.uk/document-section/b5...
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You could also just use rendezvous point for emergency services" .
And use either of header terms if you need more...It's basically just a space by the apt building that needs to be kept unobstructed i.e no car parking etc.
http://www.westyorksfire.gov.uk/uploads/assets/media/pdfs/sa...
http://cms.thebuildingregulations.org.uk/document-section/b5...
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You could also just use rendezvous point for emergency services" .
And use either of header terms if you need more...It's basically just a space by the apt building that needs to be kept unobstructed i.e no car parking etc.
Peer comment(s):
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Daryo
: that's more a description than the name for that area
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Read links! "Assembly area" is for people and (fire) marshals are civilians in UK who deal with evacuation of people (but you agree with those??)
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B D Finch
: That, as Daryo notes, is a description meant for building design, not an instruction to emergency services. Marshalling is simply getting equipment and/or people together in the right place, so no contradiction between fire marshall and marshalling area.
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I really don't rate some opinions. You don't seem to have noticed this is a "User's Guide" to a high rise building". So just dis my links when you give 2 that don't work
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Discussion
"Mustering area" might seem like a nice idea, but it's for people. More specifically, mustering is assembling troops to prepare to go into battle.
One marshalls one's resources and musters one's troops.