Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Italian term or phrase:
inconscio della mano
English translation:
subconscious hand
Added to glossary by
Maria Burnett
Oct 15, 2020 16:34
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Italian term
inconscio della mano
Italian to English
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Art, Arts & Crafts, Painting
Neodinamismo
Con Duchamp si è passati dalla presentazione alla rappresentazione.
“Non volevo più fare niente con le mie mani…Desideravo introdurre in pittura qualcosa di diverso rispetto al cosiddetto inconscio della mano, che poi non è affatto inconscio, ma piuttosto abilità, destrezza”. (Marcel Duchamp)
“Non volevo più fare niente con le mie mani…Desideravo introdurre in pittura qualcosa di diverso rispetto al cosiddetto inconscio della mano, che poi non è affatto inconscio, ma piuttosto abilità, destrezza”. (Marcel Duchamp)
Proposed translations
(English)
4 +1 | subconscious hand | texjax DDS PhD |
4 | unconscious hand | philgoddard |
4 | natural intuition of the hand | Cillie Swart |
References
Marcel Duchamp | Marco Solinas |
info | martini |
Proposed translations
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subconscious hand
All of that signifies the irruption of the unconscious which makes its theatrical entrance in this painting, and Matthew Dibble himself, supports this analysis by speaking of his work as a psychological painting in a recent email received on April 4, 2010:
"This painting is psychological..."
But this phenomenon is not new, since Marcel Duchamp had seen in Courbet, the father of the modern painters, the intervention of "the subconscious hand" and also quite evidently in the work of Matthew Dibble, where his work escapes pure reason.
Tout cela signifie l’irruption de l’inconscient qui fait son entrée en scène dans cette peinture. Et Matthew Dibble lui-même conforte cette analyse parlant de son œuvre comme d’une peinture d’ordre psychologique dans un courriel récent du 2/04/2010 : " This painting is psychological… "
Mais ce phénomène n’est pas nouveau puisque Marcel Duchamp voyait déjà en Courbet, le père des nouveaux peintres, l’intervention de la " main subconsciente ". Et bien évidemment aussi chez Matthew Dibble où son travail échappe à la pure raison.
http://espacetrevisse.e-monsite.com/pages/mes-travaux-person...
With reasoned obsessiveness, the canvases of David Dupuis repeat
and design the various patterns of recognizable abstractions, figures of
the movements of the subconscious hand in which the explorations of
the mind become trapped
https://www.collezionemaramotti.org/documents/20182/230417/A...
If one of the characteristics of modern art since Courbet has been the
cult of the subconscious hand, quite a number of artists in the last thirty
years have abandoned this cult and tumed toward a consciously..
https://eportfolios.macaulay.cuny.edu/calirmanfall2014/files...
"This painting is psychological..."
But this phenomenon is not new, since Marcel Duchamp had seen in Courbet, the father of the modern painters, the intervention of "the subconscious hand" and also quite evidently in the work of Matthew Dibble, where his work escapes pure reason.
Tout cela signifie l’irruption de l’inconscient qui fait son entrée en scène dans cette peinture. Et Matthew Dibble lui-même conforte cette analyse parlant de son œuvre comme d’une peinture d’ordre psychologique dans un courriel récent du 2/04/2010 : " This painting is psychological… "
Mais ce phénomène n’est pas nouveau puisque Marcel Duchamp voyait déjà en Courbet, le père des nouveaux peintres, l’intervention de la " main subconsciente ". Et bien évidemment aussi chez Matthew Dibble où son travail échappe à la pure raison.
http://espacetrevisse.e-monsite.com/pages/mes-travaux-person...
With reasoned obsessiveness, the canvases of David Dupuis repeat
and design the various patterns of recognizable abstractions, figures of
the movements of the subconscious hand in which the explorations of
the mind become trapped
https://www.collezionemaramotti.org/documents/20182/230417/A...
If one of the characteristics of modern art since Courbet has been the
cult of the subconscious hand, quite a number of artists in the last thirty
years have abandoned this cult and tumed toward a consciously..
https://eportfolios.macaulay.cuny.edu/calirmanfall2014/files...
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unconscious hand
Meaning that the hand doesn't consciously know what it's doing. I'm guessing it's "la main inconsciente" in French, but I haven't been able to find this.
Peer comment(s):
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Barbara Carrara
: I believe Duchamp described it as 'le subconscient de la main'.
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Thanks, though this doesn't get any hits.
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natural intuition of the hand
Sounds to me like this is what the author is referring to. The intuition or instinctive movements of the hand, that are not logically thought out and planned.
Reference comments
56 mins
Reference:
Marcel Duchamp
See page 53 of https://www.moma.org/documents/moma_catalogue_1880_300062228...
and bottom of page 3 of this article by Marcel Duchamp: https://www.persee.fr/doc/chime_0986-6035_1993_num_19_1_1884
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Note added at 1 hr (2020-10-15 17:36:10 GMT)
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Correction: the article in the second reference is NOT by Marcel Duchamp.
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Note added at 1 hr (2020-10-15 17:42:57 GMT)
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See paragraph 10 of this article https://www.cairn.info/revue-nouvelle-revue-d-esthetique-201... . Duchamp did use the expression "subconscient de la main"
and bottom of page 3 of this article by Marcel Duchamp: https://www.persee.fr/doc/chime_0986-6035_1993_num_19_1_1884
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Note added at 1 hr (2020-10-15 17:36:10 GMT)
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Correction: the article in the second reference is NOT by Marcel Duchamp.
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Note added at 1 hr (2020-10-15 17:42:57 GMT)
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See paragraph 10 of this article https://www.cairn.info/revue-nouvelle-revue-d-esthetique-201... . Duchamp did use the expression "subconscient de la main"
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Reference:
info
Je désirais introduire dans la peinture quelque chose d ' autre que le soi-disant subconscient de la main qui n ' est pas du tout subconscient ....
https://issuu.com/carolinebsn/docs/caroline_busson_memoire
https://issuu.com/carolinebsn/docs/caroline_busson_memoire
Discussion
If an existing rendition is wrong, it means that neither the translator nor the publisher (and the editor) did a good job. And that would not be an authoritative translation.