French term
maîtrise d'ouvrage d'exécution
Many thanks.
Proposed translations
project management of the construction phase
d'exéctution = the construction phase and some others have used construction (or implementation)
so for me, this is the clearest and safest bet.
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Conor McAuley
: Like it, idiomatic, possibly, my answer is technical, yours possibly a bit unwieldly to work it into a sentence? Depends if the wider context requires a snappy, explanatory, or technical solution.
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thanks Conor
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Cyril Tollari
: Can't comment on the choice of words, but basically a department in the developer's company dealing with the construction phase. So no decisions taken regarding the construction in itself, but representing the project owner during this phase
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Thanks. yes the construction phase per se, not its planning or performance etc.
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AllegroTrans
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Thanks AllegrTrans
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project management, project supervision
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philgoddard
: You could add "execution".
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Ben Gaia
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Francois Boye
: ouvrage d'exécution = the operations of the construction project//'maîtrise' is supervision
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Daryo
: ways too vague
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Conor McAuley
: That covers "maîtrise d'ouvrage", what about the "d'exécution" bit? I rarely disagree, let it be noted. / Yvonne, you can get this answer from the glossary in two minutes, plus the answerer has only answered 2/3 of the question. Apart from that, all good
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Cyril Tollari
: This might be too generic.
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Yvonne Gallagher
: disagree with disagrees esp.when they then put such unwieldy answers. Project management and performance/execution
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worksite liaison with client at the implementation stage
L'assistance à la maitrise d'ouvrage du projet dans sa phase de réalisation est assurée par ST Groupe (www.st-groupe.fr). ue2008.fr ST Groupe also provided the support for implementing the project in its development phase (www.st-groupe.fr).
http://au.indeed.com/Client-Liaison-Builder-jobs
http://www.linguee.fr/francais-anglais/traduction/maitrise+d'ouvrage.html
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Daryo
: very roughly that, more precisely some kind of "project owner's representative/deputy"
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Cyril Tollari
: The difference with assistance à la maîtrise d'ouvrage is maîtrise d'ouvrage d'exécution is a dedicated department within the project owner
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construction operation supervision
1. The construction, alteration, repair, extension, demolition or dismantling of buildings
or structures;
2. The construction, alteration, repair, extension or demolition of any works forming, or
to form, part of the land, including walls, road-works, power lines,
telecommunication apparatus, aircraft runways, docks and harbours, railways, inland
waterways, pipelines, reservoirs, water mains, wells, sewers, industrial plant and
installations for purposes of land drainage;
3. The installation in any building or structure of systems of heating, lighting, airconditioning, soundproofing, ventilation, power supply, drainage, sanitation, water
supply, burglar or fire protection; The external cleaning of buildings (other than
cleaning of any part of a building in the course of normal maintenance) or the
internal cleaning of buildings and structures, in so far as carried out in the course of
their construction, alteration, extension, repair or restoration;
1. The installation in or on any building or structure of systems of
telecommunications;
4. The external cleaning of buildings (other than cleaning of any part of a building in the
course of normal maintenance) or the internal cleaning of buildings and structures,
in so far as carried out in the course of their construction, alteration, extension,
repair or restoration;
5. Operations which form an integral part of, or are preparatory to, or are for rendering
complete such operations as are described in paragraphs (a) to (d), including site
clearance, earth-moving, excavation, tunnelling and boring, laying of foundations,
erection of scaffolding, site restoration, landscaping [1] and the provision of
roadways and other access works;
6. Operations which form an integral part of, or are preparatory to, or are for rendering
complete, the drilling for or extraction of minerals, oil, natural gas or the exploration
for, or exploitation of, natural resources;
7. The haulage for hire of materials, machinery or plant for use, whether used or not, in
any of the construction operations referred to in paragraphs (a) to (f).
La maîtrise. Ensemble des agents de maîtrise, ce qui explique ma traduction par 'supervision' https://droit-finances.commentcamarche.com/faq/42365-agent-d...
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Daryo
: these is a mention of "maîtrise" in your "reference", but that's about the only connection to this ST // in the construction industry "... d'ouvrage" and "... d'oeuvre" are VERY FAR from "being the same thing"
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Emmanuella
: Maîtrise d'oeuvre / Maîtrise d'ouvrage deux termes différents
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philgoddard
: I think we already have a good answer from Diana, but I'm agreeing because (a) this is fine and (b) Daryo has disagreed.
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Cyril Tollari
: Basically, this looks like what the maître d'œuvre would do (main contractor).
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the Performance & Control phase of project management
https://www.smartsheet.com/blog/demystifying-5-phases-projec...
In theory, what the developer is saying is that it specialises in stage 4 of project management, i.e. "Performance & Control" according to the website I've posted, to the exclusion of the other phases.
In theory.
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My ultimate source: https://www.pmi.org/
"Join PMI, the world’s leading project management organization with over 600,000 Global Members and over 300 Local Chapters Internationally."
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I just left out one or two small details, ahem:
1) exécution > performance, in a legal context: perform an agreement
2) See the ProZ glossary for confirmation of maîtrise d'ouvrage > project management
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the Performance & Control phase of CONSTRUCTION project management
But the construction bit will be obvious from the developer's overall profile.
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The link above doesn't work, maybe this one will:
https://www.smartsheet.com/blog/demystifying-5-phases-projec...
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So, depending on context:
As a headline:
"EXPERTISE IN PROJECT MANAGEMENT OF THE PERFORMANCE (AND CONTROL) PHASE OF CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS"
"AND CONTROL" can be omitted, according to taste.
Long but, I claim, right.
In the body of a text: "the Performance and Control phase of construction project management". (With or without the caps, again, according to taste.)
Depends on your "audience", of course, if he/she/they doesn't/don't understand "performance" in this context, well that's where Aughrim will be lost (it's an Irish thing, means when it's "done" or all over bar the shouting, over)!
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Whoops! Agrees can come and go! No hard feelings. One of the wisest expressions in French is that, "Il n'y que les cons qui ne changent pas d'avis". Respect.
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Daryo
: on a point of method - have you checked first the exact meaning of the whole of "maîtrise d'ouvrage d'exécution" as it's really used?
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philgoddard
: See my comments to Francois above.
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Thanks Phil!
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Cyril Tollari
: Might be too specific, but you're on the right track.
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Merci Cyril !
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master of assigned work carried out
(FR:
'Il existe également la possibilité de l'assistance en vue de l'abtention du certificat de conformité et l'assistance durant l'année de parfait achèvement (des oevrages et des projets des travaux réalisés). '
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l'oevre = the work
l'ouvrage = the piece of work, handiwork or the book or the publication
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FR:'le mise en oevre règlementaire'
EN: 'regulatory implementation or enforcement'
FR: 'assistance au maîtrise d'ouvrage'
EN: 'attendance or assistance to the project owner, project manager or contracting authority'
FR: 'l'ouvrage éxécuté'
EN: 'the work performed or carried out'
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It's about project or construction management. The work involves production, manual labour or craftsmanship. It's about tasks of work to be completed in sections, hence the reference to project work and administration. If we put something to work we use functioning and computational tools or equipment, while there are projects of work to be done bit by bit. Another side of production work is its administration, for which notebooks, registers and workbooks are recommended, where the work can be recorded along with staff attendance, materials and equipment used as well as resources. The costs involved in replacing materials used for the maintenance of a continuing supply of resources can also be noted. Project managers or owners are near administrators.
(FR: Il s'agit de la gestion ou la possession et la délivrance de la réalisation d'un projet. L'oevre est du travail de production ou de construction, comme les travaux manuels qui font de l'artisanat. C'est également sur les tâches et les travaux achevés peu à peu. Quelqu'un à l'oevre a du travail à faire. Quand on met quelque chose en oevre on utilise des outils de travail et les outils informatiques. Il y a donc les projets du travail qu'il y a à compléter peu à peu. L'ouvrage est aussi du travail et quand on se met à l'ouvrage on se met à travailler aussi pour faire la partie administrative d'un projet. Pour ça il y a des livres ou des cahiers d'ouvrage et on fait des registres ou on consigne des rapports sur le personnel qui arrive pour faire du travail, les dates et les jours avec des tâches ou des oeuvres réalisés. Dans l'enregistrement il est possible d'y metttre aussi des notes sur les individus qui prennent partie de la réalisation d'un projet, et des outils de travail avec n'imports quels des coûts à payer pour remplacer des matériaux utilisés.)
'Il y a une mission qui consiste à s'assurer que les travaux sont réalisés en respectant les plans, les matériaux et les mises en oevre règlementaires. Cette mission comprend le suivi et la direction des travaux et le contrôle de qualité des trava
Il existe la gestion financière du chantier, l'assistance au maître d'oevrage jusqu'à la réception et la levée de toutes les réserves, la vérification des mémoires définitifs des entreprises et des dossiers sur les oevrages exécutés.'
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Daryo
: you confused "... d'ouvrage" and "... d'oeuvre"
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AllegroTrans
: ..and ended up with nonsense (again!)
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Reference comments
Rénovation et Maîtrise d’ouvrage d’exécution
Home Métiers Rénovation et Maîtrise d’ouvrage d’exécution
Dans la rénovation, avec plus de 30 ans d’expérience dans des logements et immeuble de caractère et également dans le patrimoine classé, Seignerie Investissement est un acteur incontournable dans le domaine de l’habitat urbain. Nous sommes au carrefour des intérêts croisés des locataires et des propriétaires.
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Notre démarche :
Etre à l’écoute de votre projet
Proposer des solutions adaptées techniquement et financièrement
Elaborer des descriptifs et quantitatifs détaillés
Offrir des consultations loyales
Analyser la meilleure des offres avec le slogan la QUALITE A PRIX MAITRISES
Le suivi et la direction des travaux
La réception ainsi que la gestion des levées de réserves
Des réalisations de qualités, des idées originales, une écoute permanente du client, une grande rigueur dans les délais sont nos maîtres-mots.
http://www.seignerie-investissement.com/metiers/renovation-e...
As far as I can see "Maîtrise d’ouvrage d’exécution" is about acting on behalf of the project owner (le Maître d'ouvrage).
Yes, that is the case. |
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Cyril Tollari
: Not sure about the acting bit. This would sound like a consultancy or assistant au maître d'ouvrage, and I think it's not the case. I believe maîtrise d'ouvrage d'exécution is a department within the project owner in itself
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Discussion
oeuvre = ouvrage
Source : batirama.com / Damien Aymard
"Par conséquent, les juges estiment qu’au-delà de la coordination et du contrôle des travaux, M. B. a rempli une mission de maîtrise d'œuvre de conception, consistant à apporter assistance et conseil au moment de la conception de l'ouvrage, et à vérifier l'avancement des travaux jusqu'à la réception de l'ouvrage."
"PROJECT MANAGEMENT"
Page down to:
"NOS MISSIONS D'ASSISTANCE À MAÎTRISE D'OUVRAGE ET DE MAÎTRISE D'OUVRAGE DÉLÉGUÉE"
I hope that's that one sorted, once and for all.
Tu as tout à fait raison. Je serai sûr de te demander, la prochaine fois que j'ai besoin de savoir ce que je pense.
Met une réponse plutôt.
Le fait que j'ai mis un Agree est le fait du hasard, je te le jure ! J'ai pas mal participé à KudoZ depuis quelques 18 ans.
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There are five phases in project management (but different names are used for the phases by different people):
https://www.smartsheet.com/blog/demystifying-5-phases-projec...
In theory, what the developer is saying is that it specialises in stage 4 of project management, i.e. "Performance & Control" according to the website I've posted, to the exclusion of the other phases.
In theory.
:-)http://www.quatorze-ig.com/competences/maitrise-oeuvre-execu...