Mar 24, 2022 13:30
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French term

eau de bouillie

French to English Science Agriculture fongicide
DOSE D'EMPLOI :
Pour toutes cultures : dilution :
4-8 % de l' eau de pulvérisation soit 40-80 ml par litre.
Dilution valable dans les limites de minimum 60 L à maximum 200 L d' ***eau de bouillie*** par ha.

Voici la deuxième questions concernant l'autre eau.

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Discussion

abe(L)solano Mar 24, 2022:
Sorry! You are right Barbara. Just now I realized that this is a fungicide so all application is done in leafs/aerial parts. Like the "bouillie bordelaise". My apologies! I went too quick thinking there were 2 different applications. My apologies!
https://jardinage.lemonde.fr/dossier-667-qu-est-bouillie-bor...
Barbara Schmidt, M.A. (X) Mar 24, 2022:
IMO, this is all about dilution.

You simply take the concentrate (the concentrated solution that you've bought in a jerrycan) and use this to make a 4-8% solution by adding water. Which, by their calculation, equals 40-80 ml of the concentrate per liter water. A logical calculation and easy enough for a farmer to handle.

This diluted solution is then sprayed onto the crop; the farmer is to use somewhere between 60 L and 200 L per ha.
Samuël Buysschaert Mar 24, 2022:
HTH eau de bouillie= eau destinée au mélange

Par ex:
Une bouillie de tartrazine
A mixture of water and tartrazine
https://popups.uliege.be/1780-4507/index.php?id=16431

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Par ex:
définition
Bouillie: c’est le mélange eau claire + produit. La concentration s’exprime en kg de produit par litre
d’eau si la spécialité est vendue sous forme de poudre ou en litre de produit par litre d’eau si la
spécialité est vendue sous forme de liquide.
https://afidol.org/wp-content/uploads/calcul_de_doses_v3.pdf
Association Française Interprofessionnelle de l'Olive- quantités de produit phytosanitaire à utiliser

Proposed translations

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mixed/prepared water(solution)(for spraying)

Sorry I went too fast on my first answer and I didn't realize this is a fungicide so ALL application is done by spraying! Like the "bouillie bordelaise",

The term you're searching here, and fits, is mixed or prepared water (solution) result of the concentrated solution being dissolved. This is not a lab protocol so you should speak in common terms. I still believe Barbara´s answer is better suited for the first question (eau de pulverisation).

Translation of:
"Pour toutes cultures : dilution :
4-8 % de l' eau de pulvérisation soit 40-80 ml par litre.
Dilution valable dans les limites de minimum 60 L à maximum 200 L d' eau de bouillie par ha."
Would be:
"For any type of culture: dilution:
4-8% in water for spraying/spraying solution, equivalent to 40-80 ml per liter.
Dilution (factor) is valid in the lower/minimum limit of 60 L and upper/maximum limit of 200 L
of mixed/prepared water (solution) per Ha".

https://jardinage.lemonde.fr/dossier-667-qu-est-bouillie-bor...


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See:
https://www.mentatarim.com/urunler.php?dil=EN&kid=1&aid=3&ur...
Required amount of the fungicide is mixed in water in a separate container.

https://all.biz/plaza-analog-fungicide-of-impakt-flutriafol-...
"Plaz" forms resistant suspension in the prepared water solution, than provides excellent wetting and fast absorption.

https://patents.google.com/patent/CN104072294A/en
dissolving the potassium sulfate and ammonium sulfate in water to obtain a mixed water solution; (3) evenly mixing the tobacco powder and southernwood slag fermentation product with the mixed water solution to obtain a finished fertilizer; (4)

In your case is a concentrated liquid that is dissolved between 4-8% to obtain a diluted solution, but since there's no "dilution" (in French) the correct term would be:
mixed/prepared water solution or mixed/prepared aqueous solution.
Of course, it is implicit that it is water solution for spraying.
Best regards

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Another ref.:
https://archive.org/stream/sourcebookongibb7111stod/sourcebo...
Six weeks after inoculation, severely stunted plants were grouped according to size and sprayed with a freshly prepared water solution of gibberellic acid at 100 ppm (k).
A control group of similar sized plants was sprayed with distilled water.


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Keep it simple. "mixed water":
https://patents.google.com/patent/CN101502264A/en
With water-soluble component and the mixed water that gets of water...
https://documents1.worldbank.org/curated/en/4992914682198929...
Using purified seed by soaking in fungicide-mixed water
https://www.tfrecipes.com/miracle-grow-dilution-ratio/
Properly mixed water-soluble fertilizers boost plant growth, strength and appearance. Too strong a solution can …
Peer comment(s):

agree Anastasia Kalantzi
3 hrs
Thank you, Anastasia!
agree Alan Dickey (X)
20 hrs
Thank you, Alan!
disagree Daryo : The ST is ambiguous, see the ref. that isn't
7 days
agree Corinne Jeannet
85 days
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Selected automatically based on peer agreement."
9 hrs

spray mix

When combined with the xxxxicide, the spray water (eau de pulvérisation) becomes the 'bouillie/eau de bouillie' or the spray mix.

"Should I be adding ammonium sulfate into my glyphosate SPRAY MIX? [ ... ] Hard water in glyphosate SPRAY MIX result[s] in “hard water antagonism,” which ties up the glyphosate and does not allow it to be absorbed as easily into plants. "

"The effect of hard water can be reduced by:
 Adding 2 to 3 kg ammonium sulfate fertilizer (21-0-0-24) per 100 litres of water
 Using the SPRAY MIX immediately after mixing "

"Hard water minerals can bind with active ingredients in some pesticides, decreasing pesticide performance. Water conditioners neutralize these minerals and protect the SPRAY MIX from this problem"
Peer comment(s):

agree Cyril Tollari
8 hrs
disagree Daryo : The ST is ambiguous, see the ref. that isn't
7 days
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2 hrs

aqueous spraying solution // aqueous plant spray

This is what I think it is:
https://ag.umass.edu/greenhouse-floriculture/fact-sheets/spr...

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You might omit the 'aqueous'. I'm only saying it this way because I'm a chemist.

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Could it be boiled water?
See here:
https://www.astucesnaturelles.net/les-fameux-effets-de-leau-...

However, the context does seem to suggest that it is indeed a spraying solution / plant spray that's meant here.
Peer comment(s):

disagree Daryo : The ST is ambiguous, see the ref. that isn't
7 days
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7 days

water used for spraying / for preparing the spray mix

eau de bouillie = eau utilisée dans la preparation de la bouillie

it's ONLY the water, before anything is added to it.

see refs.

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4-8 % de l' eau de pulvérisation soit 40-80 ml par litre.
=>
in each litre of spray water should be dissolved (/added to) 4-8 % of this product


Dilution valable dans les limites de minimum 60 L à maximum 200 L d' ***eau de bouillie*** par ha
=>
These proportions are only valid if you use no less than 60 litres and no more than 200 litres of plain water (i.e. 60 to 200 litres of water as measured before adding anything to it)



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Or as Samuël Buysschaert found it

eau de bouillie= eau destinée au mélange
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Reference comments

7 days
Reference:

bouillie vs eau de bouillie

Ainsi, pour optimiser l'efficacité de cette stratégie, les conditions suivantes ont été réunies:


- herbicide Glyphosate
- Dose à l'hectare 2520 g m.a (7 litres de Roundup)
- Adjonction de l'adjuvant : 20 Kg de sulfate d'ammoniaque (21%)
***
- Volume de bouillie 400l/ha ====> "bouillie" = the spray mix
- Qualité d'eau de bouillie Eau douce ====> "eau de bouillie" = ONLY the water used for the mix
***
- Etat hydrique du sol Pré-irrigation des parcelles
- Stade de la morelle jaune Fin floraison-début fructification baies vertes)
- Matériel de traitement :Pulvérisateur à dos muni d'une rampe à 4 buses à fente

L'efficacité du glyphosate dépend beaucoup de l'humidité relative de l'air et dans une certaine mesure de la température de l'air. Lorsque l'humidité relative de l'air est elevée, le glyphosate pénètre rapidement dans les plantes (GAUVRIT, 1996). Par conséquent, les traitements ont été faits tôt le matin et à l'aube pour éviter les fortes chaleurs et le déficit hydrique de l'atmosphère.

EFFICACITE DE LA STRATEGIE

Le tableau 2 (non présenté ici) présente d'une manière synoptique les efficacités obtenues par l'application du glyphosate contre la morelle jaune chez les agriculteurs. Les efficacités satisfaisantes (moyennes à bonnes) ne sont obtenues que si certaines conditions sont réunies notamment l'état hydrique du sol (pré-rrigation, post-maraîchage, chute de pluie avant traitement), le stade début-fructification (baies vertes) et les conditions climatiques assez favorables lors du traitement. A l'inverse, les faibles contrôles ont été enregistrés dans les biotopes post-céréales, post-betteraves et parcelles libres, et qui n'ont pas reçu une pré-irrigation. En plus, le stade de l'adventice était avancé (baies jaunes) au moment du traitement dans certains cas. De même, la température de l'air était parfois élevée suite à l'application tardive du produit au cours de la journée. Par ailleurs, les autres conditions recommandées ont été respectées dans l'ensemble des parcelles suivies à savoir : la technique d'application (buses à fente, vitesse d'avancement...), la dose de l'herbicide, le volume de la bouillie, la qualité de l'eau de bouillie et l'addition de l'adjuvant (sulfate d'ammonium).

again, only possible conclusion: "l'eau de bouillie" is ONLY the water, not the final mix ready for spraying.

https://protectionplantes.blogspot.com/2008/01/lutte-chimiqu...
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