May 26, 2023 08:14
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French term
traits d’axe épais
French to English
Tech/Engineering
Automation & Robotics
Paint spray system
Context:
Sur les figures 2 et 3, des traits continus épais sont utilisés pour représenter des conduites de circulation de produit de revêtement, des traits pointillés épais sont utilisés pour représenter des conduites de circulation de solvant ou de produit de nettoyage, des traits continus fins sont utilisés pour représenter des conduites de circulation d’air et des traits d’axe épais sont utilisés pour représenter des conducteurs électriques de circulation de signaux électriques.
Back to editing and this has been translated as "thick axis lines", which doesn`t mean anything to me.
Is dash-dotted line used in this context?
TIA Chris.
Sur les figures 2 et 3, des traits continus épais sont utilisés pour représenter des conduites de circulation de produit de revêtement, des traits pointillés épais sont utilisés pour représenter des conduites de circulation de solvant ou de produit de nettoyage, des traits continus fins sont utilisés pour représenter des conduites de circulation d’air et des traits d’axe épais sont utilisés pour représenter des conducteurs électriques de circulation de signaux électriques.
Back to editing and this has been translated as "thick axis lines", which doesn`t mean anything to me.
Is dash-dotted line used in this context?
TIA Chris.
Proposed translations
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| 4 +1 | thick chain lines |
Conor McAuley
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| 3 +2 | thick axis lines |
Conor McAuley
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| 4 +1 | thick centre-lines |
Tony M
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| 3 -1 | Thick dashed line |
Yassine El Bouknify
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Proposed translations
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Conor McAuley
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thick chain lines
Alternative answer requested by Bashiqa, the Asker.
The above seems to be the technical term, see
https://www.educationalstuffs.in/engineering-drawing-lines/
Page down to sections G, H and J. If there is any doubt as to whether there might be something else going on in the text, see the columns on the right for "General Applications".
(I wouldn't usually trust a page headed "EDUCATIONAL STUFFS", but this is a very accessible, competent and unpompous introduction to the basics .)
A non-technical alternative is to use the more straightforward "longer dashes alternating with shorter dashes", which arises from Tony's suggestion.
If it's of any interest or pertinence, I did three years of Mechanical Drawing in school and loved it, but lost interest in the fourth year when it turned into Tech Drawing...I suppose I've got the character of a generalist.
The above seems to be the technical term, see
https://www.educationalstuffs.in/engineering-drawing-lines/
Page down to sections G, H and J. If there is any doubt as to whether there might be something else going on in the text, see the columns on the right for "General Applications".
(I wouldn't usually trust a page headed "EDUCATIONAL STUFFS", but this is a very accessible, competent and unpompous introduction to the basics .)
A non-technical alternative is to use the more straightforward "longer dashes alternating with shorter dashes", which arises from Tony's suggestion.
If it's of any interest or pertinence, I did three years of Mechanical Drawing in school and loved it, but lost interest in the fourth year when it turned into Tech Drawing...I suppose I've got the character of a generalist.
Peer comment(s):
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Tony M
: I think that as here there is no function about WHAT is being represented, this would be a good solution, while avoiding a more lay description of what it looks like.
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Thanks Tony, sound analysis by you methinks! We took the scenic route, chaps, but we got there in the end!
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "This will suit just fine."
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Yassine El Bouknify
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Thick dashed line
Thick or Thin Dashed Line
The Dashed Line is used to indicate hidden details like hidden outlines and hidden edges. The dashed line may be either thick or thin, but only one type (thick or thin) should be used on a single drawing or set of drawings.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https:/...
The Dashed Line is used to indicate hidden details like hidden outlines and hidden edges. The dashed line may be either thick or thin, but only one type (thick or thin) should be used on a single drawing or set of drawings.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https:/...
Peer comment(s):
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Tony M
: The 'centre-line' described is slightly more complex than a simpld 'dashed line', and as it is being used here to identify a specific set of lines, I think precision is important.
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You're right, Tony. Thanks for your clarification
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Daryo
: I'm afraid not. That's not the convention for drawing lines representing an "axis", as confirmed by the explanation that is about a wrong kind of lines (wrong for this ST)
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Conor McAuley
France
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Works in: French to English, English
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thick axis lines
Seems to relate to Autocad.
A search for "axis lines" + autocad gets plenty of hits.
Explanation in French below.
See the third section on the page. The term is also usefully referred to in the first two sections.
Visit the page to see handy illustrations. A word other from "axis" may come to you. What came to me was "midway line" or "midpoint line".
"Traits d'axe
Vous pouvez créer un trait d'axe associatif en sélectionnant deux segments de ligne.
Un trait d'axe est créé entre le milieu apparent du point de départ et de l'extrémité des deux lignes sélectionnées. Lors de la sélection de lignes non parallèles, le trait d'axe est tracé entre le point d'intersection imaginaire et les extrémités des lignes sélectionnées.
Le trait d'axe coupe en deux les angles des deux lignes sécantes. Dans cet exemple, l'emplacement de points de sélection définit la direction de la ligne d'axe."
The terms "symmetry line", "symmetrical line" or "line of symmetry" might also be considered, see:
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q="line of symmetry" autocad...
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Note added at 36 mins (2023-05-26 08:50:03 GMT)
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Slight correction: "axis line" (singular) + autocad gets loads of hits, the plural gets significantly less.
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Note added at 41 mins (2023-05-26 08:55:08 GMT)
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The link I meant to post above, re "explanation in French":
https://help.autodesk.com/view/ACDMAC/2024/FRA/?guid=GUID-C0...
A search for "axis lines" + autocad gets plenty of hits.
Explanation in French below.
See the third section on the page. The term is also usefully referred to in the first two sections.
Visit the page to see handy illustrations. A word other from "axis" may come to you. What came to me was "midway line" or "midpoint line".
"Traits d'axe
Vous pouvez créer un trait d'axe associatif en sélectionnant deux segments de ligne.
Un trait d'axe est créé entre le milieu apparent du point de départ et de l'extrémité des deux lignes sélectionnées. Lors de la sélection de lignes non parallèles, le trait d'axe est tracé entre le point d'intersection imaginaire et les extrémités des lignes sélectionnées.
Le trait d'axe coupe en deux les angles des deux lignes sécantes. Dans cet exemple, l'emplacement de points de sélection définit la direction de la ligne d'axe."
The terms "symmetry line", "symmetrical line" or "line of symmetry" might also be considered, see:
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q="line of symmetry" autocad...
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Note added at 36 mins (2023-05-26 08:50:03 GMT)
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Slight correction: "axis line" (singular) + autocad gets loads of hits, the plural gets significantly less.
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Note added at 41 mins (2023-05-26 08:55:08 GMT)
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The link I meant to post above, re "explanation in French":
https://help.autodesk.com/view/ACDMAC/2024/FRA/?guid=GUID-C0...
Peer comment(s):
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Tony M
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Thanks very much Tony! / You should post "centre line" though. I was getting there with "midway line" and so on ("Ryanair airport accuracy", for anybody who gets that joke...Beauvais-Paris and so on), but you nailed the precise term required.
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Daryo
: yes, BUT the conventions used in technical drawings predate AUTOCAD by at least a century ...
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Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...sorry, I fell asleep reading your Discussion lecture...I mean entry. What's that you said about Autocad? Well, I'd say human kind was at tech drawing shortly after cave paintings, if you think about it.
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thick centre-lines
Please see my discussion post for fuller explanation.
These distinctive lines are often used on drawings of basically one system (e.g. fluids) when there is a need to differentiate from some other system (e.g. electrical) — and of course, where there is no mechanical drawing element that requires an actual centre-line to be indicated.
Note various spelling variants as one or two words, with/without hyphen, and US spelling of 'center'.
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If it's any help to the doubting Thomases, let me just explain that my father used to be a lecturer in Technical Drawing (long before AutoCAD was born).
These distinctive lines are often used on drawings of basically one system (e.g. fluids) when there is a need to differentiate from some other system (e.g. electrical) — and of course, where there is no mechanical drawing element that requires an actual centre-line to be indicated.
Note various spelling variants as one or two words, with/without hyphen, and US spelling of 'center'.
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Note added at 13 hrs (2023-05-26 21:25:28 GMT)
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If it's any help to the doubting Thomases, let me just explain that my father used to be a lecturer in Technical Drawing (long before AutoCAD was born).
Peer comment(s):
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Daryo
: "un trait d'axe" could also be used for drawing "l'axe de rotation"
8 hrs
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"could", yes — except that we know here that it isn't! And an 'axis line' would only be a special subset of all lines drawn using the centre-line conventional style, so not relevant here.
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Conor McAuley
: You've nailed the exact term. Three good references.
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Thanks, Conor!
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Discussion
What I personally suspect is that the author of the document has used the "longer dash alternating with a shorter one" "notation" for the electrical cable, to serve his/her own purposes, and that it has nothing at all to do with a centre line or an axis or anything like that.
So your approach, suggested by me and "sorted" at 11:14 am, is obviously 100% correct.
"Un trait d'axe" is used for representing an "axis", either "un axe de rotation" or the kind of "axis" indicating center-lines in architecture.
Conventions in technical drawings are pretty universal (and don't change much with time: a technical drawing done a century ago is still easy to "decipher" today) so an "axis line" will look the same everywhere.
Even if in this ST these "axis lines" are used for something else, there's still no need to "translate /describe" them. For the indented audience "axis line" is all that's needed.
Another detail: when used for their "normal" purpose, "axis lines" are the thinnest lines in the drawing, so "traits d’axe épais" is a strong clue they're not used for any kind of "axis".
"Français Anglais
trait d'axe nm (*indicateur de symétrie*) (UK) centre line n
(US) center line n"
I was so close with what I posted about symmetry too! Darn drat feck!
So well, "centre line" merits an answer and should be used, in my opinion, if it works in the context, of course.
Confirmed by the normally-reliable IATE:
https://iate.europa.eu/search/result/1685099616530/1
These are conventionally shown with a longer dash alternating with a shorter one (not really meant to be a 'dot' as such) — - — -
I suppose a practical option would be to just ignore "axe" and "say what you see". That's the most straightforward way about it.