Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Dutch term or phrase:
\"donker brood\"
English translation:
dark bread
Added to glossary by
Serge Wolff
Apr 22, 2013 15:59
11 yrs ago
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Dutch term
"donker brood"
Dutch to English
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Food & Drink
translation of a menu
Context van de menukaart (lunchgerecht): ZALM, donker brood met ambachtelijk gerookte zalm en kruidendressing
Proposed translations
(English)
4 +3 | dark bread | LogosART |
4 +4 | brown bread | Michael Beijer |
5 +1 | dark rye bread | Wiard Sterk |
4 +1 | multigrain bread or dark bread | Nora Pruyser (X) |
Proposed translations
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2 mins
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dark bread
dark bread
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My breakfast consisted of a piece of heavy, dark bread.
Mijn ontbijt bestond uit een stuk zwaar, donker brood.
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Note added at 3 min (2013-04-22 16:03:33 GMT)
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My breakfast consisted of a piece of heavy, dark bread.
Mijn ontbijt bestond uit een stuk zwaar, donker brood.
Peer comment(s):
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Marjolein Snippe
12 mins
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Bedankt voor uw respons! Groetjes!
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agree |
David Walker (X)
: Could be almost any type of whole grain or rye bread so this would be the best description.
18 mins
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Thanks for your agreement and additional information! Greetings!
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agree |
Barend van Zadelhoff
: Agree with David
4 hrs
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OK! Bedankt voor uw reactie! Mvg!
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neutral |
Tony M
: But that's just not very natural or common in English!
1 day 4 hrs
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Ok! Now it's up to you to prove your statement! Greetings!
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thank you all for helping me out. I think "dark bread" is the most general and thus safest translation of all."
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37 mins
Dutch term (edited):
donker brood
brown bread
I would keep it simple.
Peer comment(s):
agree |
Francina
7 mins
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Thanks!
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agree |
writeaway
: I wondered if anyone would get to the actual translation. simple and even correct. After all, dunkles Brot in German is brown bread in English.
1 hr
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Thanks!
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agree |
Daniel Gray
4 hrs
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Thanks!
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agree |
Edith Kelly
11 hrs
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Thanks Edith!
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disagree |
Wiard Sterk
: I do not agree, that would be brown bread in english, or wholemeal at a pinch. Dark refers to the rye (and possibly malt) content that gives the bread a dark appearance.
19 hrs
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agree |
Tony M
: This would be the only simple, idiomatic solution in EN, without lengthier explanations (out of place in a menu)
1 day 3 hrs
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Thanks Tony!
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+1
54 mins
dark rye bread
Dark bread tends to be rye bread and is indicated as such in english. The reference is random, but you can find many more on the web. Rye is best (by far) with Salmon. This is most likely what the text refers to.
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Note added at 58 mins (2013-04-22 16:58:11 GMT)
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Another reference : http://www.tassal.com.au/premium-smoked-salmon-with-dark-rye...
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Note added at 58 mins (2013-04-22 16:58:11 GMT)
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Another reference : http://www.tassal.com.au/premium-smoked-salmon-with-dark-rye...
Peer comment(s):
neutral |
writeaway
: agree that rye would taste nice but it's not the correct translation, despite all the confidence posted. rye is rogge. donker brood is not made exclusively with rye flour /sadder still, I also know these things.
1 hr
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I disagree. Donker brood always contains rogge, otherwise it is bruin of volkoren. It's sad but I know these things...
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agree |
Tina Vonhof (X)
: Sometimes called 'pumpernickel bread'. It is often made with a combination of rye and wheat.
6 hrs
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neutral |
Tony M
: Even if it were 'pumpernickel', then I wouldn't call it 'dark'; in fact, if that's REALLY what it is, then 'pumpernickel' would have been the best translation.
1 day 3 hrs
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+1
2 hrs
multigrain bread or dark bread
Donker brood, "dark bread" would imply that it's either a multigrain or wholegrain bread. Unfortunately, sometimes they add burned malt to the dough to give it the dark and healthy look.
I think if you use dark bread it would do the trick.
I think if you use dark bread it would do the trick.
Peer comment(s):
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Wiard Sterk
: It's a cheat, though, it should contain rye.
16 mins
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neutral |
Tony M
: Couldn't agree with 'dark bread' — whatever the composition, we just wouldn't call it that in EN.
1 day 1 hr
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Discussion
In Canada and the United Kingdom it simply refers to whole wheat bread.
This is called 'volkorenbrood' or 'bruin brood' in Dutch.
Can you claim that 'donker brood' in the question refers to 'volkorenbrood' or 'bruin brood'?
What's more likely is it refers to something else.
We have a word for this 'brown bread' from the UK (see above).
Since we don't know about the specifics 'dark bread' is the safest option.
As a native speaker of English (No English?) said here:
Could be almost any type of whole grain or rye bread so this would be the best description
I thought I should respond but let's leave it at this ... for now. :-)
In any case, there are very many fortuitous collocations, where someone is simply talking about bread that happens to be 'dark'.
'black bread' is of course a familiar term in the UK — but I'd have to be very convinced that it is indeed what the chef had on her/his menu, otherwise choosing anything so specific risks over-translation.
Searching for Google images, one readily finds a number of images of clearly dark-coloured 'black' rye bread (which if that were what it was meant to be, I'd rather call by the more familiar term 'pumpernickel'); but the trouble is, there are also loads and loads of images that look just like ordinary 'brown bread' — irrespective, of course, of their actual cereal content; then again, you can of course get 'white' rye bread (my local village baker here makes a wonderful one!)
On the first 3 results pages, I counted 24 images that were clearly 'dark-couloured bread', 59 that seemed to be nothing to do with it at all, leaving approximately 87 (i.e. around 50%) that looked just like more or less ordinary 'brown bread'.
19,700 hits for 'dark bread' on site co.uk
http://www.google.nl/search?as_q=&as_epq=dark bread&as_oq=&a...