Glossary entry

Dutch term or phrase:

\"donker brood\"

English translation:

dark bread

Added to glossary by Serge Wolff
Apr 22, 2013 15:59
11 yrs ago
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Dutch term

"donker brood"

Dutch to English Other Food & Drink translation of a menu
Context van de menukaart (lunchgerecht): ZALM, donker brood met ambachtelijk gerookte zalm en kruidendressing

Discussion

Barend van Zadelhoff Apr 23, 2013:
Brown bread

In Canada and the United Kingdom it simply refers to whole wheat bread.

This is called 'volkorenbrood' or 'bruin brood' in Dutch.
Can you claim that 'donker brood' in the question refers to 'volkorenbrood' or 'bruin brood'?
What's more likely is it refers to something else.
We have a word for this 'brown bread' from the UK (see above).

Since we don't know about the specifics 'dark bread' is the safest option.

As a native speaker of English (No English?) said here:

Could be almost any type of whole grain or rye bread so this would be the best description

I thought I should respond but let's leave it at this ... for now. :-)

Tony M Apr 23, 2013:
Google isn't the Bible Yes, but if you Google 'brown bread', you get almost 10 times that number of hits.

In any case, there are very many fortuitous collocations, where someone is simply talking about bread that happens to be 'dark'.

'black bread' is of course a familiar term in the UK — but I'd have to be very convinced that it is indeed what the chef had on her/his menu, otherwise choosing anything so specific risks over-translation.

Searching for Google images, one readily finds a number of images of clearly dark-coloured 'black' rye bread (which if that were what it was meant to be, I'd rather call by the more familiar term 'pumpernickel'); but the trouble is, there are also loads and loads of images that look just like ordinary 'brown bread' — irrespective, of course, of their actual cereal content; then again, you can of course get 'white' rye bread (my local village baker here makes a wonderful one!)

On the first 3 results pages, I counted 24 images that were clearly 'dark-couloured bread', 59 that seemed to be nothing to do with it at all, leaving approximately 87 (i.e. around 50%) that looked just like more or less ordinary 'brown bread'.
Barend van Zadelhoff Apr 23, 2013:


19,700 hits for 'dark bread' on site co.uk

http://www.google.nl/search?as_q=&as_epq=dark bread&as_oq=&a...

Proposed translations

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dark bread

dark bread


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My breakfast consisted of a piece of heavy, dark bread.
Mijn ontbijt bestond uit een stuk zwaar, donker brood.

Peer comment(s):

agree Marjolein Snippe
12 mins
Bedankt voor uw respons! Groetjes!
agree David Walker (X) : Could be almost any type of whole grain or rye bread so this would be the best description.
18 mins
Thanks for your agreement and additional information! Greetings!
agree Barend van Zadelhoff : Agree with David
4 hrs
OK! Bedankt voor uw reactie! Mvg!
neutral Tony M : But that's just not very natural or common in English!
1 day 4 hrs
Ok! Now it's up to you to prove your statement! Greetings!
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thank you all for helping me out. I think "dark bread" is the most general and thus safest translation of all."
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37 mins
Dutch term (edited): donker brood

brown bread

I would keep it simple.
Peer comment(s):

agree Francina
7 mins
Thanks!
agree writeaway : I wondered if anyone would get to the actual translation. simple and even correct. After all, dunkles Brot in German is brown bread in English.
1 hr
Thanks!
agree Daniel Gray
4 hrs
Thanks!
agree Edith Kelly
11 hrs
Thanks Edith!
disagree Wiard Sterk : I do not agree, that would be brown bread in english, or wholemeal at a pinch. Dark refers to the rye (and possibly malt) content that gives the bread a dark appearance.
19 hrs
agree Tony M : This would be the only simple, idiomatic solution in EN, without lengthier explanations (out of place in a menu)
1 day 3 hrs
Thanks Tony!
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54 mins

dark rye bread

Dark bread tends to be rye bread and is indicated as such in english. The reference is random, but you can find many more on the web. Rye is best (by far) with Salmon. This is most likely what the text refers to.

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Another reference : http://www.tassal.com.au/premium-smoked-salmon-with-dark-rye...
Peer comment(s):

neutral writeaway : agree that rye would taste nice but it's not the correct translation, despite all the confidence posted. rye is rogge. donker brood is not made exclusively with rye flour /sadder still, I also know these things.
1 hr
I disagree. Donker brood always contains rogge, otherwise it is bruin of volkoren. It's sad but I know these things...
agree Tina Vonhof (X) : Sometimes called 'pumpernickel bread'. It is often made with a combination of rye and wheat.
6 hrs
neutral Tony M : Even if it were 'pumpernickel', then I wouldn't call it 'dark'; in fact, if that's REALLY what it is, then 'pumpernickel' would have been the best translation.
1 day 3 hrs
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2 hrs

multigrain bread or dark bread

Donker brood, "dark bread" would imply that it's either a multigrain or wholegrain bread. Unfortunately, sometimes they add burned malt to the dough to give it the dark and healthy look.
I think if you use dark bread it would do the trick.
Peer comment(s):

agree Wiard Sterk : It's a cheat, though, it should contain rye.
16 mins
neutral Tony M : Couldn't agree with 'dark bread' — whatever the composition, we just wouldn't call it that in EN.
1 day 1 hr
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