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Glossary entry

French term or phrase:

capsulo-ligamentaire

English translation:

capsuloligamentous

Added to glossary by Conor McAuley
Dec 19, 2020 18:01
3 yrs ago
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French term

capsulo-ligamentaire

French to English Medical Medical (general) orthopedics
Hi,

I am a translating an article about pediatric osteosarcomas of the knee. The author uses "capsulo-ligamentaire" throughout the text in different ways:
"atteinte du système capsulo-ligamentaire périphérique"
"atteinte capsulo-ligamentaire"
"atteinte de l'appareil capsulo-ligamentaire"

Could these be "capsular ligament" or "articular capsule of the knee"? Can't seem to find anything with "périphérique"...

Thanks for your help.

Joanna
Proposed translations (English)
3 +2 capsulo-ligamentary
4 peripheral knee capsule ligaments or extracapsular ligaments
Change log

Jan 2, 2021 14:30: Conor McAuley Created KOG entry

Discussion

Conor McAuley Jan 2, 2021:
Thanks for your reply Joanna, no problem. 0
joanna menda (asker) Dec 26, 2020:
@Conor, you are 100% right, I should have put "peripheral" in my main heading. I put them all together because I believe the author is using all of these to mean the same thing but didn't want to repeat "peripheral" given the restriction in word count. I will be more attentive in the future.
joanna menda (asker) Dec 26, 2020:
Thanks everyone for your assistance!! I will ask the author for more information about what she means by "periphérique".
Anne Schulz Dec 23, 2020:
True enough :-)
Conor McAuley Dec 23, 2020:
Yes of course I did I suppose one should consider the three longer terms below the "headline" as subsidiary, optional questions to be answered, with the main term being the "headline". That's how I interpret it.

I suppose if Joanna wanted all of the three longer terms to be translated, then she should have posted them one by one. Those are the rules I think.

Re-reading the wording of the question, that's what Joanna should have done -- she's asking three separate questions.

Look at the rules for confirmation of this.

The principle of one question per term is very simple -- it helps to keep the glossary tidy, thus helping the community to build on its body of knowledge.
Anne Schulz Dec 23, 2020:
Ahem... Did you read Joanna's query beyond the headline?
Conor McAuley Dec 23, 2020:
Nothing wrong with "peripheral" central and peripheral nervous system

https://www.google.com/search?ei=w2TjX7WVBMnBlwS_-6uIBA&q="c...
Conor McAuley Dec 23, 2020:
I don't quite understand why you're all discussing "peripheral" in such great depth when that is not a term that we've been asked to transate.
Anne Schulz Dec 23, 2020:
Hi Joanna, "peripheral" seems to be used with reference to the knee joint per se in your references (not with reference to the body as Sue and I assumed). Similarly, http://orthopedie-lyon.fr/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/ARTICLE... distinguishes a "pivot central" and a "zone périphérique", and also mentions "freins périphériques" or laxité périphérique". The pivot central is obviously the cruciate ligaments (plus menisci?), and the "système péripérique would then include the joint capsule, collateral ligaments, and all the other fibrous streaks stabilizing the joint. The problem is that "peripheral" seems to be used by French or Italian authors more than English natives (and I don't know any reasonable, "native" alternative, sorry).
joanna menda (asker) Dec 22, 2020:
Hi Sue, Hi Anne, I did find hits with "peripheral capsuloligamentous structures" https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00167-020-06357-y
https://books.google.ca/books?id=h5MpD5XKTFoC&pg=PA165&lpg=P...
Sue Davis Dec 22, 2020:
Could "peripheral" system refer to spread to other bones/joints?
Anne Schulz Dec 20, 2020:
Anatomically, Joint capsules of the 3 knee joint compartments plus several ligaments connecting tibia, fibula, femur, patella, menisci in all possible pairings, form an immensely complex fibrous stabilising system for the knee. While some of the ligaments are partly integrated in the joint capsule(s), most go beyond or are extracapsular; so this is really a composite 'capsulo-ligamentous' system or complex (or "Apparat" in German ;-) holding the knee and compensating for the lack of a stabilising muscle layer. – As for "périphérique", without further context, this may likely refer to the peripheral (i.e. tibial/fibular) part of the capsuloligamentary system.

Proposed translations

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capsulo-ligamentary

A fair amount of hits for this term:

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q="capsulo-ligamentary"&ei=O...

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Note added at 18 hrs (2020-12-20 12:49:49 GMT)
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capsuloligamentous (See my reply to Anne's Agree below.)

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Note added at 3 days 21 hrs (2020-12-23 15:43:34 GMT)
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By way of comparison, from Termium:

https://www.btb.termiumplus.gc.ca/tpv2alpha/alpha-eng.html?l...
Peer comment(s):
neutral philgoddard : Maybe, but most if not all are translations.
3 hrs
A few seem ok.
agree SafeTex
9 hrs
Thanks, SafeTex!
agree Anne Schulz : where non-hyphenated words and "ligamentous" for "ligamentaire" seem to be slightly more common spelling alternatives
15 hrs
Yes, capsuloligamentous is far better, 39.5 ghits https://www.google.co.uk/search?biw=1366&bih=667&ei=FkXfX8rF...
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peripheral knee capsule ligaments or extracapsular ligaments

Knee - Physiopedia
www.physio-pedia.com › Knee
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This along side the capsule ligaments enhances she stability of the knee. As with all of ... Muscles, Function, Peripheral nerve, Spinal innervation. Quadriceps ...

Knee joint: anatomy, ligaments and movements | Kenhub
www.kenhub.com › library › the-kn...
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Extracapsular ligaments are found outside the joint capsule and include the ... the margin of the lateral meniscus and the peripheral area of the tibial condyles.

The Knee-joint - Human Anatomy
theodora.com › anatomy › the_knee...
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The Articular Capsule (capsula articularis; capsular ligament) (Fig. ... The peripheral border of each meniscus is thick, convex, and attached to the inside of the ...
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