Feb 17, 2019 05:19
5 yrs ago
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French term
margaret
son bruité
French to English
Other
Music
calling all musicians: does anyone know what a "son bruité" is in English?
Here is the definition in French:
Un son bruité est un son (produit par un instrument, par exemple une clarinette) auquel on rajoute une composante, généralement de manière électronique, (mais on peut aussi altérer le son produit de la clarinette de manière physique) qui fait que le son n'est plus « pur » mais entaché de bruit.
Thank you!
Here is the definition in French:
Un son bruité est un son (produit par un instrument, par exemple une clarinette) auquel on rajoute une composante, généralement de manière électronique, (mais on peut aussi altérer le son produit de la clarinette de manière physique) qui fait que le son n'est plus « pur » mais entaché de bruit.
Thank you!
Proposed translations
(English)
| 4 | prepared sound |
Richard George Elliott
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| 4 -2 | noise |
Laura Nagle (X)
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Proposed translations
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1 hr
noise
It's a vague term with a broad definition. The general tendency, in English as in French, is to specify the type of noise (distortion, feedback, prepared instruments, etc.) if at all possible, but the general term that covers all of this is simply "noise." The word doesn't necessarily have the negative connotation in a music context that it has in conversational language. (For a detailed discussion of its various connotations, see the intro to Marie Thompson's 2017 book Beyond Unwanted Sound: Noise, Affect and Aesthetic Moralism.)
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Peer comment(s):
| disagree |
David Vaughn
: I work often in this field, notably for the GRM. This is a not a useful translation.
2 hrs
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| disagree |
Daryo
: you can't turn "a pure sound with added noise" into simply some nondescript "noise"
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1 day 7 hrs
Richard George Elliott
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
Native in English
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United Kingdom
Art, music, literature
Native in: English
Works in: French to English, German to English
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prepared sound
In a contemporary classical music context, "prepared" is an adjective commonly used to describe the normal sound of an instrument distorted in some way. For example "prepared piano" (the phrase coined by John Cage), "prepared clarinet", "prepared instrument", "prepared sound".
While this fits the French definition provided above, and more especially the "manière physique" part, it should be borne in mind that the term "piano préparé" (for example) is also used in French. Nevertheless, it may work in this instance depending on the specific context.
While this fits the French definition provided above, and more especially the "manière physique" part, it should be borne in mind that the term "piano préparé" (for example) is also used in French. Nevertheless, it may work in this instance depending on the specific context.
Peer comment(s):
| neutral |
David Vaughn
: As Richard notes, this term is habitually used for acoustic instruments, which have been physically altered to produce new sounds. Whereas the asker's definition focuses on electronic alteration.
26 days
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Discussion
However in the real world the meanings of "son bruité" are highly contextualized. This is partially because the words are common, and so combining them produces many "everyday language" variations, that may be completely opposed.
For example, you will find many googles contrasting "son clair" with "son bruité" where the subject is the range of distortion an electric guitar (for example) can have. This same contrast can also apply to erudite music, especially – but not only – when electronic processing is applied.
In other cases, various technical definitions of "bruit" are applied. "Noise" has several technical definitions, especially in the worlds of physics and aesthetics. These definitions, while they may be clear in context (and even expressly defined), are far from universal.