French term
y compris
Apart from the usual meaning of "y compris" (i.e. "including"), is there another meaning I am not aware of? The meaning "including" doesn't make sense in my sentence. I wonder if the intended meaning is "albeit" but is that actually a meaning/use of "y compris", as to my mind this would be "bien que/quoique"?
M. X, conformément à son cahier des charges, y compris provisoire, assure la distribution des places de parking...
Thanks in advance for any help!
| 3 +1 | even if / although |
Sandra & Kenneth Grossman
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| 3 +1 | notwithstanding |
Gad Kohenov
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| 4 | though being ........ / or: albeit |
Ellen Kraus
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Jul 12, 2009 10:41: Charlie Bavington changed "Level" from "PRO" to "Non-PRO"
Jul 12, 2009 11:55: Emanuela Galdelli changed "Term asked" from "y compris (a meaning other than \"including\"?)" to "y compris" , "Field" from "Other" to "Law/Patents"
Non-PRO (3): Julie Barber, writeaway, Charlie Bavington
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Proposed translations
Israel
Quality, Reliability, Experience.
Native in: English 
, Romanian
Works in: French to English, Hebrew to English, Romanian to English, and 3 more.
even if / although
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Note added at 9 mins (2009-07-12 09:02:20 GMT)
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i.e., the clause is also valid for the provisional specification, irrespective of subsequent changes.
Israel
30 years of experience+satisfied clients
Native in: French , Hebrew
Works in: English to Hebrew, Hebrew to English, French to Hebrew, and 8 more.
notwithstanding
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Note added at 14 mins (2009-07-12 09:06:54 GMT)
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But legalese is a strange language anyway.
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writeaway
: legalese is strange but accurate. y compris isn't legalese in any case and notwithstanding is a very strange translation for y compris. Don't see how it fits here in any case.
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if the author was thinking in German than it has nothing to do with legalese
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Charlesp
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Merci beaucoup!
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Austria
more than thirty years of experience
Native in: German
Works in: Greek to German, English to German, Greek to English, and 5 more.
Discussion
Or better yet: can you find a German version of the doc you are working on?
Obviously you don't have the benefit of seeing the whole text, so I realise that makes things difficult, but "including" is definitely not the meaning. This person had a job description and was carrying out his work based on his job description but his employer is arguing (in a dispute) that he actually only had a temporary/provisional job description. Logically, I think the meaning of "y compris" is "albeit/although", but I would like to know whether this is actually a genuine meaning of "y compris" or whether it's a mistake in the French.