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Aug 11, 2013 07:23
10 yrs ago
français term

pointe en fils

français vers anglais Autre Sports / forme physique / loisirs sportswear
This is a description of sports shoes. The term appeared in the following context:

-Renforts talon
-pointe en fils

Thank you
Proposed translations (anglais)
3 +3 toe stitching, stitched toe, etc.
3 -1 darnig point

Discussion

Tony M Aug 12, 2013:
@ W/A No, and again, nobody said anything about 'precluding' — we were just trying to elicit further context from Asker that might clarify the mystery; what no-one so far seems to have come up with is very many refs. in the source language where the term is used in relation to shoes...
writeaway Aug 12, 2013:
@Tony, As I said here yesterday: I also saw lots of www refs referring to socks. That doesn't preclude the possibility of it being shoes however.
Tony M Aug 12, 2013:
@ W/A I don't think anyone has ever suggested the possibility of a typo, we were simply seeking clarification from Asker that they do have positive evidence this is indeed about shoes, simply on the basis there are far more source-language hits for this term in reference to 'chaussettes'.
B D Finch Aug 12, 2013:
@writeaway Now you've explained why you posted that reference, all is clear! I couldn't make out the reasoning behind the "socks" diversion, which seemed like a "cul-de-chaussette" to me.
writeaway Aug 12, 2013:
@BD Finch I don't really understand what point you are making. Of course police shoes/boots probably have steel reinforcements as do some safety shoes. However I seriously doubt this is the case with sports shoes. The only reason I posted that url was to show that shoes too can have pointes et talons renforcés. For an unknown reason, some people seem to be convinced that chaussures simply must be typo for chaussettes. Probably because of the many ghits that show the Fr phrase in connection with socks. Or perhaps my url has a typo too and it really should be 'chausettes d'intervention'?
B D Finch Aug 12, 2013:
@writeaway The boots in your ref. are likely to be reinforced with steel! Have you ever heard the sound of a police boot kicking a metal lamp post?
writeaway Aug 11, 2013:
Not sports shoes, but doubt that mesh in involved: Chaussures STARFORCE Commander Hi - BS OUTDOOR
www.bsoutdoor.fr/chaussures.../156-chaussures-starfo...‎
Pointes et talons renforcés. Chaussures d'intervention destinées aux forces de polices, gendarmeries, agents de sécurité et militaires. Cette chaussure convient

sports shoes can be flimsy sp having stitching makes sense.
philgoddard Aug 11, 2013:
I reckon it's socks too. Shoes wouldn't need reinforced heels, but socks would. And could "en fils" mean "mesh"?
Come on, madleen, put us out of our misery!
writeaway Aug 11, 2013:
Well if chaussures de sport is actually chaussettes de sport, then yes, it would be socks. I also saw lots of www refs referring to socks. That doesn't preclude the possibility of it being shoes however.
Fwiw, in USese, it's apparently pointe shoes as well. I always heard them referred to as toe shoes but my ballet career was extremely brief and very long ago and I never even got that far......
JaneD Aug 11, 2013:
"Pointes" are toes for socks... Hence Tony's question and my initial suspicions.
See this and various other references in which socks have "pointes et talons renforcés", "Talon et pointe en fils anti-usure" etc.:
http://www.reflex-sports.com/PBSCProduct.asp?ItmID=10568266
philgoddard Aug 11, 2013:
And are we sure that "pointes" means "toes"? It's usually "bouts".
Tony M Aug 11, 2013:
@ Asker It could — except that the "pointed end" is usually called the 'toe' in EN; but "made of threads" doesn't really make any sense at all; if these were canvas shoes, then by its nature, it is going to be made of threads, so there's no point in stating the obvious (especially since the writer omits to say they are woven!) And if they were leather, for example, then it would be very odd to have just the toe made of threads — and just what kind of threads and how are they implemented?
Do you know anything about the provenance of your text? I am wondering if this is perhaps non-native FR, and/or a mis-translation from some other language (even if only in the writer's head!)
Unless you are able to give us more context, as I have already asked for, then I doubt you are going to really get to the bottom of this, and will probbaly need to go back to your customer for a fuller explanation.
madleen (asker) Aug 11, 2013:
Dear all, would it probably mean "pointed end made of threads/yarned pointed end" ?
Tony M Aug 11, 2013:
Are you sure... ...this is sports shoes? I have come across several mentions of this term in connection with sports socks
JaneD Aug 11, 2013:
Is that really the whole thing? Or could it possibly be "pointe en fils anti-usure", for example?

Proposed translations

+3
2 heures
Selected

toe stitching, stitched toe, etc.


The notion of stitching on sports shoes is a bit surprising but apparently it does exist.

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Note added at 9 hrs (2013-08-11 16:52:29 GMT)
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Chaussures STARFORCE Commander Hi - BS OUTDOOR
www.bsoutdoor.fr/chaussures.../156-chaussures-starfo...‎Translate this page
Pointes et talons renforcés. Chaussures d'intervention destinées aux forces de polices, gendarmeries, agents de sécurité et militaires. Cette chaussure convient

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Note added at 1 day6 hrs (2013-08-12 14:17:03 GMT)
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Reinforced heel and toe area for better protection
http://www.adidas.com/us/product/mens-outdoor-ax-1-trail-sho...

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sorry for the looong blooper in the last ref.
Peer comment(s):
neutral Tony M : Makes a lot of sense, though it does rather presuppose that the source text is flawed. / I don't think you did, but I did pose that question in the discussion area above.
4 minutes
I wondered about the French and don't remember if I asked in my discusion box entry whether the Fr was a translation. even so, toe stitiching seems likely./I think the question was removed when I went back to click on it to add it to my discussion entry
agree kashew : I'd put money on stitched toe. Strengthened heel, stitched toe.
17 minutes
agree GILLES MEUNIER
1 heure
neutral philgoddard : I think this is possible, but I'm not 100% convinced.
6 heures
talon et pointe referring to shoes which go on the feet. pointe de pied is a toe. shoes have heels and toes. talon is also mentioned.
agree Yolanda Broad
11 heures
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Selected automatically based on peer agreement."
-1
1 heure

darnig point

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Na_v_e861N4
http://www.dance.net/topic/5238319/1/Pointe-Beginners/How-To...
This is what I normally use for darning my pointe shoes and it generally works just as well if you double thread it on the needle. - https://www.google.com/search?q=cc dictionary&rlz=1C1FDUM_en...
Darning pointe shoes has become out of practice due to a lack of knowledge - https://www.google.com/search?q=cc dictionary&rlz=1C1FDUM_en...
A detailed description on and demonstration on darning pointe shoes. - https://www.google.com/search?q=cc dictionary&rlz=1C1FDUM_en...
Peer comment(s):
disagree Tony M : 'darning' is an action (the verb 'to darn' = 'raccommoder'), wouldn't make any sense in the given context.
38 minutes
neutral writeaway : your 'pointe' shoes are ballet toe shoes!! darning is done to repair, not during manufacturing or for decoration and is usually a term used for socks./should have added that darning toe shoes isn't surprising given the material they made of.
1 heure
neutral JaneD : Actually you darn pointe shoes (which is the correct term at least in UK English) before you first wear them so that they don't wear out as quickly.
7 heures
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