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Apr 23, 2014 19:32
10 yrs ago
French term

germes de l’hospitalisme

French to English Other Medical: Health Care
From a report on microbilogical air cleanliness in the premises of an industrial caterer;

"La présence de germes de l’hospitalisme déclenche le niveau « action »."

Does this mean the kind of germs found in hospitals? Is there a better way to say it?
Proposed translations (English)
5 +1 hospital germs
3 +2 hospital-acquired infections
2 +3 nosocomial pathogens (or germs)
4 germs that can be found in hospitals / hospital environments
Change log

Apr 23, 2014 19:54: philgoddard changed "Field" from "Tech/Engineering" to "Other" , "Field (specific)" from "Food & Drink" to "Medical: Health Care" , "Field (write-in)" from "microbiological air cleanliness" to "(none)"

Discussion

Anne Schulz Apr 24, 2014:
Hospitalisme Definitely not "any germs found in hospitals" -- hospitalisme is a technical term and should be translated as such.
Daryo Apr 24, 2014:
@ Jane it was more a general reflection on methods used - I do notice a tendency to see "faux amis" where there are none.
"hospitalism" does sound like possibly having some special meaning, but one you're sure it's about any germs found in hospitals, Occam's razor should be at work.
Jane F (asker) Apr 24, 2014:
@Daryo Yes, I did check the most obvious translation. But it's the first time I have seen the word 'hospitalisme', as opposed to the more common word 'hospitalisation' and thought there might be a specific term in English. But hospital germs is surely what is intended here. Later on in the document the germs are actually named as being 'staphylocoques et streptocoques'.
Daryo Apr 24, 2014:
there are plenty of "faux-amis" waiting for the unwary to fall in the trap, but that's not a reason to assume that every similar sounding translation must be wrong. On the contrary, it's the first option to be checked.

Proposed translations

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13 hrs
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hospital germs

Peer comment(s):
agree Victoria Britten : This was what I instinctively thought, but wasn't sure enough to post it.//Blinded by the science of "hospitalisme"!
37 mins
nowadays it takes few seconds to check (not hours and hours or even days as 20-30 years ago) Thanks!
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11 mins

germs that can be found in hospitals / hospital environments

Yes, you are right, the following definitions are given:

Ce sont des germes de l'hospitalisme et sont responsables de surinfections diverses On les retrouve dans les pus de brûlures, les otites, les hémocultures.

The same term exists in Spanish "hospitalismo" and found it also in English:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hospitalism

http://www.banque-pdf.fr/fr_germes-de-l_hospitalisme.html

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Note added at 12 mins (2014-04-23 19:44:49 GMT)
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Please also see: Hospitalism

Definition of HOSPITALISM



1

a : the factors and influences that adversely affect the health of hospitalized persons b : the effect of such factors on mental or physical health


2

: the deleterious physical and mental effects on infants and children resulting from their living in institutions without the benefit of a home environment and parents

http://www.merriam-webster.com/medical/hospitalism

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Note added at 14 mins (2014-04-23 19:47:11 GMT)
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Also simply "hospital germs" also see

http://dictionaryofsydney.org/entry/hospitals

Avoiding 'hospitalism'

Before the 1860s, there was little incentive for even the sickest, poorest patient to be admitted to a hospital. For most of the nineteenth century, one of the strongest deterrents was the fear of 'hospitalism'. Hospitalism was the explanation for rampant infections within hospitals and was understood as toxic 'miasmas', vapours which seeped into the walls of hospitals and let off fumes which caused disease


Peer comment(s):
neutral Daryo : simply "hospital germs"
13 hrs
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+2
16 mins

hospital-acquired infections

just a thought
Peer comment(s):
agree philgoddard : I think "infections" is an appropriate translation for "germes". After all, they're presumably not interested in non-infectious organisms.
4 mins
Cheers
neutral EirTranslations : it doesn't say anything about infenctions though...just germs found in hospital environments
6 mins
True, maybe I should have put "germs" instead of "infections"?
agree Mario Freitas :
19 mins
neutral B D Finch : This is probably before anyone gets infected: they are detecting germs in an air test.
3 hrs
disagree Daryo : germs can cause infections, but germs are not the same as infections.
13 hrs
agree Anca Florescu-Mitchell : Yes, the very resistant germs leading to these infections (supergerms!). http://www.universalis.fr/encyclopedie/nosocomiales-hospital...
17 hrs
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+3
29 mins

nosocomial pathogens (or germs)

Low confidence because I am not sure whether they really mean germs found in hospitals or germs found in institutional settings in general.
Note from asker:
They mean germs commonly found in hospitals which can also be found elsewhere e.g. in places where food is prepared
Peer comment(s):
neutral philgoddard : I don't think there's any need to use a technical term that many people won't understand.
10 mins
Thank you Phil. It looks to me as if it is a technical report.
agree Anne Schulz
11 hrs
agree Anca Florescu-Mitchell : http://www.universalis.fr/encyclopedie/nosocomiales-hospital...
17 hrs
agree Bertrand Leduc
22 hrs
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