Oct 17, 2020 17:48
3 yrs ago
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French term
transaction commerciale sauvage
French to English
Tech/Engineering
Transport / Transportation / Shipping
Site safety regulations for drivers of lorries (industrial site).
"Il est interdit de :
...
Circuler seul dans les ateliers, loin de son véhicule, en dehors des zones de chargement - déchargement.
Rouler sur les pelouses, uriner sur le site (toilettes mises à disposition).
Effectuer toute transaction commerciale sauvage."
My general dictionary suggests "illegal". But is that accurate? Are there perhaps other connotations?
"Il est interdit de :
...
Circuler seul dans les ateliers, loin de son véhicule, en dehors des zones de chargement - déchargement.
Rouler sur les pelouses, uriner sur le site (toilettes mises à disposition).
Effectuer toute transaction commerciale sauvage."
My general dictionary suggests "illegal". But is that accurate? Are there perhaps other connotations?
Proposed translations
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47 mins
Margaret Morrison
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
Native in English
United Kingdom
Cambridge educated business specialist
Native in: English 
Works in: French to English
Related KudoZ points
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7
Selected
Unauthorised
unauthorised transactions or sales - I would say that anything illegal is by definition not allowed, so this is trying to prohibit personal sales which are often of stolen merchandise.
Note from asker:
| Thanks. Convincing. |
Peer comment(s):
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Daryo
: "Unauthorised" **on company's premises ONLY** NOT everywhere - just because someone is conducting their own private business on company's premises DOESN'T mean that their private business is automatically illegal (like selling stolen goods or ...)
2 hrs
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| agree |
Thomas Miles
: Good solution that nicely covers the intended semantic field.
2 hrs
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| agree |
Kim Metzger
20 hrs
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| agree |
ph-b (X)
1 day 13 hrs
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Cyril Tollari
2 days 3 hrs
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3 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks"
41 mins
Andrej Furlan
Slovenia
Slovenia
Slovenia
Material Scientist and Physicist, PhD
Native in: Croatian (Variant: standard)
Works in: Swedish to Croatian, Italian to Croatian, English to Croatian, and 2 more.
Illicit commercial exchange
"Sauvage" in this context does indeed mean "illegal". However, since it goes about exchange or transactions, I would prefere to use here the term "illicit" instead of "illegal".
Peer comment(s):
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Daryo
: Just because it's not supposed to be done on company's premises doesn't mean that it's "illegal" - i.e. against the law anywhere.
2 hrs
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Johannes Gleim
: The company can interdict any private business on it's premises.
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Johannes Gleim
40 years Engineer, 20 years translations
Native in: German
Works in: English to German, German to English, French to German, and 6 more.
Related KudoZ points
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39
Improper (unauthorized, wild, itinerant) commercial transaction (or activities)
La vente sauvage de poisson : Risque sanitaire
dfo-mpo.gc.ca
Health Concerns Around Unauthorized Sale of Fish
dfo-mpo.gc.c
Le manque d'intérêt des médias et le déclin de l'industrie du disque obligent le Hip-Hop Belge à repenser ses propres circuits (marketing spécifique, vente ambulante, diffusion sauvage).
wbm.be
The lack of interest of the media and the decline of the records industry oblige Belgian HipHop to reconsider its own circuits (specific marketing, itinerant trading, wild diffusion).
wbm.be
Nous ne pouvons pas imposer à nos pêcheurs des quotas de pêche rigoureux et rester passifs face aux activités de pêche sauvage.
europarl.europa.eu
We cannot, on the one hand, impose strict fishing quotas and, on the other, not take action to prevent illegal fishing activities.
europarl.europa.eu
https://www.linguee.com/english-french/search?source=auto&qu...
I think 'transactions commerciales sauvages' would normally be translated as 'unauthorized commercial activities'. However, 'You are not authorized to conduct unauthorized commercial activities' sounds a bit silly. You could say: 'You are not allowed (permitted) to conduct unauthorized commercial activities' but I would personally prefer 'You are not allowed to conduct private business on the premises'.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.lang.translation...
"It is forbidden to:
:
Conduct any improper (unauthorized, wild, itinerant) commercial transaction (or activities).
dfo-mpo.gc.ca
Health Concerns Around Unauthorized Sale of Fish
dfo-mpo.gc.c
Le manque d'intérêt des médias et le déclin de l'industrie du disque obligent le Hip-Hop Belge à repenser ses propres circuits (marketing spécifique, vente ambulante, diffusion sauvage).
wbm.be
The lack of interest of the media and the decline of the records industry oblige Belgian HipHop to reconsider its own circuits (specific marketing, itinerant trading, wild diffusion).
wbm.be
Nous ne pouvons pas imposer à nos pêcheurs des quotas de pêche rigoureux et rester passifs face aux activités de pêche sauvage.
europarl.europa.eu
We cannot, on the one hand, impose strict fishing quotas and, on the other, not take action to prevent illegal fishing activities.
europarl.europa.eu
https://www.linguee.com/english-french/search?source=auto&qu...
I think 'transactions commerciales sauvages' would normally be translated as 'unauthorized commercial activities'. However, 'You are not authorized to conduct unauthorized commercial activities' sounds a bit silly. You could say: 'You are not allowed (permitted) to conduct unauthorized commercial activities' but I would personally prefer 'You are not allowed to conduct private business on the premises'.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.lang.translation...
"It is forbidden to:
:
Conduct any improper (unauthorized, wild, itinerant) commercial transaction (or activities).
1 day 19 hrs
Éva MYGARDON
France
France
Native in French
France
Subtitles, Professional Baker
Native in: French (Variants: Canadian, Standard-France)
Works in: English to French, French, French to English
uncontrolled commercial transaction
"La pêche sauvage a déjà eu des conséquences catastrophiques, principalement pour le cabillaud et le sébaste, deux sources alimentaires très appréciées."
"The consequences of uncontrolled fishing have already been disastrous, particularly for cod and redfish, two highly valued sources of food. "
"The consequences of uncontrolled fishing have already been disastrous, particularly for cod and redfish, two highly valued sources of food. "
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Discussion
in this text is the visiting drivers / visitors acting against company's rules - i.e some internal code of conduct or similar, NOT acting contrary to some law applicable to anyone anywhere so both illegal and illicit equally do not apply.
I know this is not against the rules, but I think that you were pretty unfair to Andrej giving him a disagree as well as an agree elsewhere.
You seem to think "illicit" = "illegal" and of course they are very similar in meaning but they are not actually the same
When used as adjectives, illegal means contrary to or forbidden by law, especially criminal law, whereas illicit means not approved by law, but not invalid.
Regards
THAT kind of "transactions" definitely do happen, but they wouldn't be conducted anywhere near any "official place", like the company's premises at the delivery / loading point. It is so blatantly plain illegal (whatever are company's rules) that no one sane would do it there.
I doubt that they have that type of "deals" in mind. I think it would be about visitors (delivery drivers) conducting some sideline business of their own (possible perfectly legal) while on premises.
"private transactions" - i.e. not related to the purpose/business of the site - not necessarily illegal in themselves, but not supposed to happen on the site.
Like for example peddling multi-level marketing wares to employees on site, or selling mum's knitting or ...
Just a guess, as it's a quite usual clause in employment contracts - saying "keep your religious propaganda / private business deals & any other private activity out of the workplace."