De nombreux murs sont conservés en élévation

English translation: The elevations of many walls have been preserved

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French term or phrase:De nombreux murs sont conservés en élévation
English translation:The elevations of many walls have been preserved
Entered by: Christopher Crockett

18:04 Nov 23, 2013
French to English translations [PRO]
Archaeology / Results of archaeological fieldwork on a Great Mosque in Ethiopia
French term or phrase: De nombreux murs sont conservés en élévation
This is part of the findings of archaeological excavations on a Mosque in Ethiopia. I think it means: 'Many walls have survived in their elevated positions'; however, I am sure there is a more natural-sounding rendering...

All you Time Team experts out there.... please help.
Hazel Le Goff
Local time: 09:08
The elevation of many walls have been preserved
Explanation:
Dayro and ormiston have the sens of it, but I don't think that "elevation" here is used to just mean that the surviving walls remain upright or "in their elevated positions."

After all, the only way a wall *could* survive is if it were upright/elevated.

Plus, I've never seen "en élevation" used in the sense of "upright."

Because "élevation/elevation" is a very common term in the technical medieval art hysterical literature I am most familiar with, I'd suggest that the author means that enough of the walls survive to be able to reconstruct the "elevation" of the building --i.e., the articulation of it vertical members (not just its ground plan).

The caption to this jpg.

http://content.answcdn.com/main/content/img/oxford/Oxford_Ar...

reads "Typical English Romanesque bay (from Peterborough Cathedral). (left) External elevation. (middle) Internal elevation. (right) Section through bay."

Apparently enough survives of *some* (but not all) of the walls of this mosque to be able to at least "reconstruct" (graphically) the original elevation.

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Note added at 2 days20 hrs (2013-11-26 14:56:09 GMT) Post-grading
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Yes, "elevation...has"

I *hate* it when that happens.

Thanks, Hazel.

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Note added at 3 days19 hrs (2013-11-27 13:52:25 GMT) Post-grading
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On thinking about it a bit, I believe I would prefer to say "The elevations of many walls have been preserved" --not every wall will necessarily have the same elevation.
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Christopher Crockett
Local time: 04:08
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Many thanks. This explanation is the most comprehensive and in keeping with the source text. Many thanks. Should I just change the plural modal verb to singular... The elevation of many walls has been preserved...
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Summary of answers provided
4many above-grade walls are intact
kashew
4many walls have been preserved still standing
Daryo
4The elevation of many walls have been preserved
Christopher Crockett
3many walls have remained upright
ormiston


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many above-grade walls are intact


Explanation:
i.e. above ground level, as opposed to just the foundations.
See:
L'enveloppe thermique est le recouvrement d'une unité d'habitation qui nous protège des éléments; l'enveloppe comprend les murs et le plancher du soussol, les ***murs en élévation***, le toit, les fenêtres et les portes.
oee.nrcan-rncan.gc.ca
The thermal envelope is the shell of a dwelling that protects us from the elements; it comprises the basement walls and floor, the ***above-grade walls***, the roof and the windows and doors.
oee.nrcan-rncan.gc.ca


kashew
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many walls have been preserved still standing


Explanation:
as in:

"The walls were largely maintained intact during most of the Ottoman period, until sections began to be dismantled in the 19th century, as the city outgrew its medieval boundaries. Despite the subsequent lack of maintenance, many parts of the walls survived and are still standing today. A large-scale restoration program has been under way since the 1980s, which allows the visitor to appreciate their original appearance."
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walls_of_Constantinople]


Daryo
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neutral  writeaway: preserved still standing? not terribly idiomatic phraseology imo
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  -> check "preserved still standing" it is used (about 14.700 ghits), archaeologists included in the lot...
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many walls have remained upright


Explanation:
I have found this expression elsewhere,

16 juil. 2009 - Trstin - the few remaining upright tombstones. You can see the boundary wall in the background and get some idea of the rows.

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The elevation of many walls have been preserved


Explanation:
Dayro and ormiston have the sens of it, but I don't think that "elevation" here is used to just mean that the surviving walls remain upright or "in their elevated positions."

After all, the only way a wall *could* survive is if it were upright/elevated.

Plus, I've never seen "en élevation" used in the sense of "upright."

Because "élevation/elevation" is a very common term in the technical medieval art hysterical literature I am most familiar with, I'd suggest that the author means that enough of the walls survive to be able to reconstruct the "elevation" of the building --i.e., the articulation of it vertical members (not just its ground plan).

The caption to this jpg.

http://content.answcdn.com/main/content/img/oxford/Oxford_Ar...

reads "Typical English Romanesque bay (from Peterborough Cathedral). (left) External elevation. (middle) Internal elevation. (right) Section through bay."

Apparently enough survives of *some* (but not all) of the walls of this mosque to be able to at least "reconstruct" (graphically) the original elevation.

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Note added at 2 days20 hrs (2013-11-26 14:56:09 GMT) Post-grading
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Yes, "elevation...has"

I *hate* it when that happens.

Thanks, Hazel.

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Note added at 3 days19 hrs (2013-11-27 13:52:25 GMT) Post-grading
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On thinking about it a bit, I believe I would prefer to say "The elevations of many walls have been preserved" --not every wall will necessarily have the same elevation.

Christopher Crockett
Local time: 04:08
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Many thanks. This explanation is the most comprehensive and in keeping with the source text. Many thanks. Should I just change the plural modal verb to singular... The elevation of many walls has been preserved...
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