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Apr 30, 2017 12:42
7 yrs ago
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French term

arrière-mangrove

French to English Other Geography wetlands
Plus de 2500 hectares aménagés entre les cordons fossiles et l'arrière-mangrove en front de mer
Proposed translations (English)
3 +10 mangrove hinterland
2 -1 mangrove swamp
References
fwiw, hth
Arrière-mangrove
What a mangrove is

Discussion

Carol Gullidge May 1, 2017:
@Barbara: noun v. adjective Here, we are translating from the French, where "mangrove" is strictly a noun that translates into EN as (two words): "n.f. MANGROVE SWAMP"

So, whether or not the word is used as an adjective or a noun in English is totally irrelevant. The translation needs to incorporate both "mangrove swamp" and the translation for the word "arrière".
I still fail to see why you think "front de mer" (or "mar", as you call it) is relevant to the translation of the French term "mangrove" or how it might account in any way for "arrière"!
Michele Fauble Apr 30, 2017:
What a mangrove is @Barbara
See my reference post
Barbara Cochran, MFA Apr 30, 2017:
Justification? Isn't that a, well, certain kind of attitude?
Barbara Cochran, MFA Apr 30, 2017:
What A Mangrove Is A mangrove is a tree-like vegetation, which this time, grows in an area that borders the sea (front de mar), so not at all far-removed from it. Hence my translation, "mangrove swamp".
Carol Gullidge Apr 30, 2017:
sorry, I thought your comment was supposed to be in support of your answer, as I could see no other justification for it!
Barbara Cochran, MFA Apr 30, 2017:
My comment was never meant to imply anything about swamps except that they are usually located next to bodies of water, just like most people are aware of, anyway.

Why are you trying to turn this into such a big deal?
Carol Gullidge Apr 30, 2017:
from your comment! c.f.... -> Except that there is a "front de mar", and swamps are located close to bodies of water, rivers, etc
Barbara Cochran, MFA Apr 30, 2017:
I don't believe anything of the kind... Where did you get that impression?
Carol Gullidge Apr 30, 2017:
@ Barbara re mangrove swamps while these do appear in saline lagoons, etc., in coastal areas (at least, that was my experience while living in Lagos, Nigeria), this does not mean that all tropical coastal areas are necessarily covered in or surrounded by mangrove swamps. In other words, a "front de mer" by no means implies that there has to be a swamp nearby, as I believe your reply to my comment suggests.

Proposed translations

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mangrove hinterland

(copy-pasted from references below):

Larousse, Fr-En
mangrove [mɑ̃grɔv]
nom féminin
mangrove swamp

arrière-mangrove
nf (géographie) zone située derrière une mangrove, souvent forestière
http://dictionnaire.reverso.net/francais-definition/arrière-...

Report - Rapid Creek Landcare Group
www.rapidcreek.org.au/Rapid_Creek_Landcare.../RCLG WAC Repo...
Mangrove ecosystems support a diverse range of plants and animals and provide many ... The mangrove hinterland is the sensitive zone at the upper edge of.

Linguee:
par le Conservatoire du littoral, en mobilisant de jeunes agriculteurs et en protégeant les zones d' « arrière mangrove ». legrenelle-envi...nnement.gouv.fr
[...] by the coastal conservation authority, involving young farmers and protecting Mayotte's areas of "mangrove hinterland".

This design, which is used in the entire gulf, brings indirect impacts such as altered hydrological patterns, hypersalinity and eutrophication to the mangrove systems. Shrimp ponds, roads, and levees in the mangrove hinterland reduce the hydrological flux towards the intertidal zone.
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/281034288_fig5_Figure-5-...
Peer comment(s):
agree Carol Gullidge : yep! as already mentioned, the FR "mangrove" = "mangrove swamp" in EN, ruling out mangrove swamp as a possible translation for arrière-mangrove. Meanwhile, the French term for what we call a mangrove (tree/shrub) is apparently manglier or palétuvier.
4 mins
agree Rachel Fell : :-)
8 mins
agree Jennifer White : comment as below
56 mins
neutral Barbara Cochran, MFA : Your supporting entry (mangrove swamp) just repeats my own./Bu "mangrove", like I mentioned above, is a tree-like plant.
1 hr
it's not my supporting entry. it just shows what the English is if one only looks up mangrove, omitting the word arrière
agree Charles Davis : Yes; "arrière" is not mere decoration.
1 hr
agree Daryo : http://www.universalis.fr/dictionnaire/arriere-mangrove/
4 hrs
agree Mair A-W (PhD)
5 hrs
agree Michele Fauble
5 hrs
agree Wendy Streitparth
18 hrs
agree Yvonne Gallagher
1 day 5 hrs
agree Marie Dedigama
3 days 20 hrs
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mangrove swamp

Reference: wordreference

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Note added at 11 mins (2017-04-30 12:53:14 GMT)
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https://forum.wordreference.com/threads/les-tannes-émaillent...

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Note added at 3 hrs (2017-04-30 16:33:21 GMT)
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Another reference:

https://www.epa.gov/wetlands/mangrove-swamps
Peer comment(s):
agree nweatherdon
1 hr
Thank you, nj.
disagree Carol Gullidge : your citation from wordreference - where it's translated as "back-mangrove" - by no means corroborates this. In fact, the French word "mangrove" means "mangrove swamp", so arrière-mangrove has to be something else//So? sorry, I don't get your point
1 hr
Except that there is a "front de mar", and swamps are located close to bodies of water, rivers, etc.
disagree Daryo : http://www.universalis.fr/dictionnaire/arriere-mangrove/
7 hrs
neutral Juan Jacob : No swamps in mangrove.
8 hrs
"Mangrove", in this case, is an adjective, not a noun.
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Reference comments

1 hr
Reference:

fwiw, hth

Larousse, Fr-En
mangrove [mɑ̃grɔv]
nom féminin
mangrove swamp

arrière-mangrove
nf (géographie) zone située derrière une mangrove, souvent forestière
http://dictionnaire.reverso.net/francais-definition/arrière-...

Report - Rapid Creek Landcare Group
www.rapidcreek.org.au/Rapid_Creek_Landcare.../RCLG WAC Repo...
Mangrove ecosystems support a diverse range of plants and animals and provide many ... The mangrove hinterland is the sensitive zone at the upper edge of.

Linguee:
par le Conservatoire du littoral, en mobilisant de jeunes agriculteurs et en protégeant les zones d' « arrière mangrove ». legrenelle-envi...nnement.gouv.fr
[...] by the coastal conservation authority, involving young farmers and protecting Mayotte's areas of "mangrove hinterland".
Peer comments on this reference comment:
agree Jennifer White : Agree. Seems that mangrove hinterland is the correct term here. "Mangrove" alone = mangrove swamp
6 mins
agree Rachel Fell : -and re mangrove hinterland: https://www.researchgate.net/figure/281034288_fig5_Figure-5-...
31 mins
agree Carol Gullidge : this is far more convincing! Why don't you post it as an Answer?
40 mins
well, ok. might as well I guess. But the references are all here. (I've posted).
agree Charles Davis
2 hrs
agree Michele Fauble
6 hrs
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Reference:

Arrière-mangrove

Dictionnaire
Le Dictionnaire Cordial comporte plus de 120 000 entrées. Il reconnaît les formes fléchies (féminin, pluriel, conjugaison des verbes). Les noms propres ne sont pas pris en compte.

ARRIEREMANGROVE
Rechercher dans Universalis
Arrière-mangrove : Nom féminin singulier

en géographie, zone située derrière une mangrove, souvent forestière

http://www.universalis.fr/dictionnaire/arriere-mangrove/
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Reference:

What a mangrove is

The word is used in at least three senses: (1) most broadly to refer to the habitat and entire plant assemblage or mangal,[3][page needed] for which the terms mangrove forest biome, and mangrove swamp are also used, (2) to refer to all trees and large shrubs in the mangrove swamp, and (3) narrowly to refer to the mangrove family of plants, the Rhizophoraceae, or even more specifically just to mangrove trees of the genus Rhizophora.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mangrove
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