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Glossary entry

French term or phrase:

en encadrement

English translation:

within an opening

Added to glossary by Catharine Cellier-Smart
Feb 26, 2013 09:12
11 yrs ago
French term

en encadrement

French to English Tech/Engineering Furniture / Household Appliances Blinds
"Si vous installez le store en encadrement : il faut retirer 2cm de chaque côté du store afin qu’il ne frotte pas contre le mur ou le poteau"

From a blind catalogue.

This basically means installing the blind in such a way that it doesn't overlap/touch surroundings walls or columns, i.e. it's 'framed' by the walls and columns around it.

However "if the blind is framed" doesn't sound right to my ears, and "if the blind is not to touch its surroundings" seems rather clumsy.

Any suggestions?

TIA
Proposed translations (English)
4 +1 within an opening
3 +3 inside the window
4 +2 in the reveal
4 flush
4 inside the recess

Discussion

B D Finch Feb 26, 2013:
@Catherine I have only just seen the Discussion, as it wouldn't display before. Certainly, the space between columns is not a "reveal". I think you might need to use two terms if you want to cover fitting both in door or window openings and in spaces between columns of a verandah.
Catharine Cellier-Smart (asker) Feb 26, 2013:
Not necessarily any doors or windows As this is for a tropical climate the blinds are not necessarily in front of a door or window, they're made of wood, and most will be mounted on verandahs in front of an open space. When I refer to columns it means the columns of a verandah, or a gazebo for example.
Catharine Cellier-Smart (asker) Feb 26, 2013:
@Lara This is describing the mounting method.
Lara Barnett Feb 26, 2013:
@ Catherine Do you know anything more about this "means" of installation? i.e. Is this term describing the installation method, or describing an item which could be framing the blind?

Proposed translations

+1
45 mins
Selected

within an opening

As we seem to be talking about a general eventuality here, and assuming this is aimed at a general public readership, I think this might be the most natural solution: fitted within an opening (instead of in front of it).

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Note added at 1 hr (2013-02-26 10:13:15 GMT)
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Right, now we have more context, widening the field of application, then this may well be the only viable solution.
Note from asker:
Usual story Tony - I realised what was obvious for me wasn't necessarily obvious to answerers. Closed doors and windows may or may not be present.
Peer comment(s):
agree Frank Foley : Agreed on 2 counts: "an", not "the", and "opening" to cover a generic range of, er openings. :-)
47 mins
Thanks, Frank!
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "this was the answer I went with in the end"
+3
4 mins

inside the window

... assuming it's in a window opening!

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Note added at 7 mins (2013-02-26 09:20:06 GMT)
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"inside the frame", perhaps, then?
Note from asker:
it's windows and/or doors
Peer comment(s):
agree Mark Nathan
5 mins
Thanks Mark
agree GILLES MEUNIER
43 mins
thanks
neutral Tony M : I think that's a bit ambiguous; it could suggest this is one of those blinds that is actually fitted between the two panes of glass of a double-glazed window! Technically imprecise use of language.
44 mins
Ugh, I hope not - I've got those and they're horrible. Anyway now we know it's not necessarily for a window it's definitely not the right term!
agree EirTranslations
1 hr
Thanks Beatriz
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9 mins

flush

Blind mountings can be flush or protruding - checked on google
Note from asker:
This sounds good
Peer comment(s):
neutral Tony M : I can't help thinking this could be slightly misleading; e.g. it would be possible for the blind to be mounted close to the window, i.e. well back within the window reveal, in which case it is 'en encadrement' but scarcely any longer truly 'flush'.
38 mins
neutral B D Finch : Flush with what?
57 mins
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21 mins

inside the recess

Or you can also say 'inside the reveal', 'inside the rebate'
Reference:

http://www.classiqueblinds.co.uk/index.php?main_page=page&id=3

http://corporate.wilkinsonplus.com/wilkoplus_downloads/diy_howto/blinds.pdf

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+2
40 mins

in the reveal

The depth of the wall in the opening and between the face (whether internal or external) and the window or door frame is called the "reveal" and that is what is being referred to here.

shieldagriculture.co.uk/huesker-gale-and.../roller-blind-door/ - En cache
"The Roller Blind door can be fitted in the reveal, in front of the reveal (outside or inside) or above the reveal to preserve full height and width of door opening."

www.theblindco.com/roller/MeasuringOrderingLargeRoller.pdf
"Roller blind width. Roller blind height. Mounting in the reveal. Measure the niche width and height at several positions exactly. Smallest measured dimension ..."


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Note added at 1 hr (2013-02-26 10:23:23 GMT)
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Regarding whether to use "in" or "within", I think that is a matter of personal style and choice. Googling 'blind fitted "in the reveal"' gets 7.4 million ghits and 'blind fitted "in the reveal"' gets something over 5,000 ghits. But, you don't have to follow the herd!

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Note added at 1 hr (2013-02-26 10:24:42 GMT)
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OOPS!

Substitute for above:

Regarding whether to use "in" or "within", I think that is a matter of personal style and choice. Googling 'blind fitted "within the reveal"' gets 7.4 million ghits and 'blind fitted "in the reveal"' gets something over 5,000 ghits. But, you don't have to follow the herd!

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Note added at 1 hr (2013-02-26 10:26:45 GMT)
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OOPS OOPS!

Got it the wrong way round! it is "in" that gets the 7.4 million and "within" that gets the 5,000+! But, I still think either is OK.

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Note added at 1 hr (2013-02-26 10:40:04 GMT)
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It is still called the "reveal" even if there is no door or window fitted. The reveal is the plane of the thickness of the wall around an opening.
Peer comment(s):
agree Victoria Britten
7 mins
Thanks Victoria
agree Evans (X)
6 hrs
Thanks Gilla
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