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conventionnel

English translation: collectively agreed

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French term or phrase:conventionnel
English translation:collectively agreed
Entered by: joanna menda

13:13 Nov 19, 2023
French to English translations [PRO]
Human Resources
French term or phrase: conventionnel
Hi,
I am currently translating payslips from New Caledonia for immigration to Australia.
I have the following:
Convention: Commerce et divers
Qualification: AM3 - Niv.4 Ech.2 - Indice 306
Point = 795 soit xxx XPF conventionnel
What do you they mean by "conventionnel" in this instance? "According to the collective agreement"?
Thanks
Joanna
joanna menda
Canada
Local time: 15:54
collectively agreed (NC); contractual; Treaty-related
Explanation:
Having met New Caledonians at the FIT / ITF - International Translators' (and Interpreters') Federation Congress in Melbourne, Oz, in 1996 I do verily agree with Collective Agreement, though feel that other feasible meanings ought to be spelt out.

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Adrian MM.
Austria
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Summary of answers provided
4collectively agreed (NC); contractual; Treaty-related
Adrian MM.
3 +1Professional category
SafeTex
3conventional
Lisa Rosengard
Summary of reference entries provided
Collective agreement
philgoddard

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collectively agreed (NC); contractual; Treaty-related


Explanation:
Having met New Caledonians at the FIT / ITF - International Translators' (and Interpreters') Federation Congress in Melbourne, Oz, in 1996 I do verily agree with Collective Agreement, though feel that other feasible meanings ought to be spelt out.



Example sentence(s):
  • DTE - Direction du Travail et de l’Emploi Accord professionnel de la branche « Commerces et divers » ... 98849 NOUMÉA CEDEX - TÉL. : (+687) 27.55.72 - WWW . DTENC.GOUV. NC

    Reference: http://dtenc.gouv.nc/reglementation-en-ligne/conventions-acc...
Adrian MM.
Austria
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 24
Grading comment
Thanks!

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  philgoddard: Your first suggestion is correct, but not the others.
1 hr
  -> The others are for (diligent and appreciative colleagues') reference-only.
neutral  AllegroTrans: first suggestion only
82 days
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11 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
Professional category


Explanation:
Hello

It's more like "professional category" and it goes far beyond "collective agreement" in that there may not even be an employer, as with freelancers or sole traders for instance.

There may also be "legislation" covering such categories, for example qualifications and tax returns, which go beyond the idea of "collective agreement"

See a French tax return form for landlords for instance.


    https://www.convention.fr/actualites/classification-professionnelle-retour-elements-clef-59997
SafeTex
France
Local time: 21:54
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 12

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Annette Fehr
1 day 16 hrs
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7 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
conventional


Explanation:
There's a reference on a PDF file to a minimum conventional salary.
https://www.usoenc.nc/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Salaire-Con...
At a business convention (a meeting or a conference) a group of people or interested parties held a discussion to reach an agreement on minimum salaries for employees.
(A (business) convention is an event where a group of people interested in one topic gather at a specific place and time to discuss a said topic or make a decision.)
https://dtenc.gouv.nc/reglementation-en-ligne/conventions-ac...

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Note added at 4 days (2023-11-23 17:48:38 GMT) Post-grading
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A conventional wage or salary is one which is accepted as a standard basic rate of pay.
https://www.gov.uk/national-minimum-wage-rates
Here are some definitions of conventional:
"A conventional item is based on, or in accordance with general agreement. It conforms to established practice or accepted standards or traditions.
In law a conventional item is based on consent, agreement or contract.
It's established by general agreement or accepted usage."
https://thefreedictionary.com/conventional



    Reference: http://usoenc.nc/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Salaire-Conventi...
    https://hubilo.com/blog/convention-vs-conference
Lisa Rosengard
United Kingdom
Local time: 20:54
Native speaker of: English

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  MassimoA
1 day 28 mins
disagree  AllegroTrans: Nonsense, sorry
81 days
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Reference comments


3 hrs peer agreement (net): +2
Reference: Collective agreement

Reference information:
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/french-to-english/human-resources/...

philgoddard
United States
Works in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 80

Peer comments on this reference comment (and responses from the reference poster)
agree  Andrew Bramhall
1 hr
agree  AllegroTrans
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